Umar Lee describes his day at ISNA.
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excellent. I loved the Dog and Halloween part.
Unfortunately, we are enmeshed in Halloween, but I make sure the kids choose more imaginative things like princesses rather than witches or whatnot. Its not ideal but i pick my battles.
please do tell Umar personally when next you speak to him that I, for one, really appreciated that post.
I hope you have heterosexual sons, because that is the only way princesses would be imaginative.
i meant, something that stimulates her imagination in a positive sense, not necesarily “imaginative” in the “original” sense.
“My only complaint about this panel was that it basically covered only two strains of the blogosphere; left-leaning hipsterish bloggers( mostly children of immigrants) and a conservative Muslim from basically the same demographic”
I lol’d so hard at this. Hipsters hahahahaha
Hipsters? I was probably one of the most un-hip people there. Clearly Umar didn’t walk through the lobby of the Hyatt after maghrib
We did our best to make the panel diverse. He didn’t mention the irony of having a man be the representative of altmuslimah.com (which is a gender-based site by design but still heavily populated/frequented by women); unfortunately, he was the only rep available at the time.
Brother Umar is a light in great darkness for me always.
He is mighty.
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Ah….a kindred spirit. They are not capitialists, Muhammad, they are non-profit organization fund raisers, not an easy job in this economy.
Seriously though, Islam Crunch, spiritual benefit is from Allah, not the Zaytuna institute. You should be very clear about your mission.
If TalkIslam is a place to solicit donations, I encourage people to donate to the IAS. The spiritual benefit you reap comes from your own striving and purification. But it helps to have good information. The IAS is a California Non-Profit dedicated to providing the public with
information about Islam.
IAS is a california 501 c3, UN Non Governmental Organization for Public Information and is involved in UNESCO and Women’s and Children’s Rights through out the world.
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Muhammad, what wonderful language coming from one with such a beautiful name. Keep it up!
BK, seriously, I believe that donating for the sake of Allah can reap spiritual benefits. Or is donating an act that negates spiritual benefit? Will it cause Allah’s wrath if it is done for the sake of Allah? This faqir could seriously use some education on zakah and sadaqah. Is zakah still a pillar in Islam? Just checking!
How can we be sure that money going to Zaytuna by default means for the sake of Allah? Has Allah created partners?
I’m glad you have turned out to be exactly what I expected. Zakat is for the poor and should not ‘get lost’ along the way to the poor.
If I want to give zakat, I will give it DIRECTLY to the poor and not to professional clergy.
Check and check again smart ass.
BK I think he is talking about sadaqa not zakat. You can give sadaqa to any worthy institution. And I think Zaytuna does do very good work. You may not like the idea of clergy, but the fact of the matter is we need educated, pure-intentioned imams and ‘alims and Zaytuna produces them.
Having said that, I’m glad the original Zaytuna message does not use the language of spiritual coercion. They just ask for funds and describe how the funds will be used, like any good NGO.
Islamcrunch, thanks for alerting us to this worthy cause. For future reference I think you will find this board has a very low tolerance for the kind of rhetoric that is common to other Muslim websites. People here are more concerned that their charity benefit its recipients than they are that their charity benefit themselves.
How can you be sure? Make the right intention. I never said that donating to Zaytuna means you are giving the money to Allah or that Zaytuna is a partner of Allah. I said donating money for the sake of Allah (intention) can reap spiritual benefits. Read your texts.
From what this faqir learned, Zakat is not only for the poor. Zakat funds need to divided 8 proportionate ways. Some of which includes: the travelers, the new Muslims, those struggling for the sake of Allah,the needy, etc. I am glad to hear (seriously) that you have the means to properly divide your zakat funds.
It is unfortunate that you decided to use childish, immature tactics to end your arguments: Kindergarten playground taunts and name calling.
I appreciate your comments and opinions. Unfortunately, this debate caused tension on both ends when we could be friends instead. My apologies for any offense caused. I extend my friendship out of brotherly love for one reason and one reason only: to please Allah.
Everyone who strives in religion for knowledge and purification is doing something positive. There is no reason Zaytuna cannot represent that.
And it is true that, unlike you, Zaytuna information does not promise spiritual benefit for cash. Doesn’t even insinuate that. Alhamduleelah. This is good. A mistake made and admitted is good. To offer advice is good. To make a show of friendship is good.
There is a real and a phoney side to most things. It is obvious to people when they see it which one it is.
I take that as your expression of becoming friends. Just to clarify… I did not promise spiritual benefit for cash. The spiritual benefit I was referring to is via donation (sadaqa). Whether it is to IAS, Zaytuna or any organization, with the right intention, there can be spiritual benefit and Allah alone knows best.
I did not admit any mistakes. And there is no doubt I am flawed. In my perspective, my mistake was charging in on this debate.
If you regard me as a phony, that is fine with me. With all praises to Allah, this faqir has had many opportunities to meet people from all levels of societal, economic, political backgrounds. Many, if not all, consider me as a friend. I will not stoop to name dropping, however, if my friends/advisors/mentors/teachers/elders do not see me as a phony person, I will continue my struggle and spread the word about Zaytuna and any other project that I am passionate about.
BK, thank you for your insight. May Allah bless you with the best in this world and in the next.
Muhammad, BK, I am disappointed that your positions could not have been expressed with a modicum more of courtesy. This is TALK Islam, not SHOUT or ARGUE or INSULT et. The tone matters.
my apologies to you Mikael for the rather surprising vehemence to which your post was received.
IslamTalk may not be the place for me.
All I said was that an idea was mistaken, and I explained why. Adequately.
For that, I am not used to being insulted. You’ve made no “admonishment” about that.
“IslamTalk” is not Islam “Talk” at all. It a place where expression is one-sided and stifled.
That is why it is so dead here most of the time.
Who needs this?
Salam BK, sorry to see you go. My apologies for any insults that I may have conveyed.
Sidi Aziz, no need to apologize. I am used to receiving animosity. As I have mentioned in the past, it’s fortunate that I was surrounded by good Muslims in my early convert years (and Zaytuna played an important role too). If I had faced such animosity prior to conversion or shortly after, who knows whose arms I would be running into?
One issue many of us fail to realize: we fail to look at our flaws and we tend (or prefer) to look at the flaws of others. This gives us a comfortable sense of always being ‘right’.
All I said was that an idea was mistaken, and I explained why. Adequately.
“bullshit” and “smart ass” are in my opinion outside the bounds of reasonable critique and disagreement.
You are free to comment as you please. I don’t think any of your comments have been deleted, edited, etc. I am engaging you in a thread, just like everyone else, on equal ground. Far from being “one-sided”, I am proud of how many viewpoints Talk Islam has attracted. I even offered you a slot as a frontpager, BK, so I am not clear how I (or anyone else) is “stifling” you.
or as matoko would say, (((muhammad)))
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