So much for the lone wolf theory. According to Norwegian journalist @ketilbstensrud, Breivik’s lawyer says his client belongs to an international network of right-wing extremists. He planned his actions for a long time, and has requested his hearing on Monday be open to the media so that he can “reveal all”. There’s also strong suspicion that Breivik was funded by an international network.
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thabet
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thabet
‘One third of Germans prefer a Germany without Islam’.
You can make your own Nazi jokes.
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Hitch
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svend
Not that I’m an expert on Germanica, but, to give the proverbial devil his due, Germany has long had a problem with xenophobia and provincialism (my “favorite” example: the cases–which caused fierce soul-searching–of Germany soccer stadiums reverberating with monkey calls when black players from opposing teams showed up). Unfortunately, a disproportionate percentage of foreigners there and in the rest of Europe hail from Muslim-majority countries, do Islam is the “natural” target of xenophobes and extreme nationalists.
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svend
The intensity of the prejudice and disdain this guy encountered while in black face is quite sobering.
http://akramsrazor.typepad.com/islam_america/2010/03/black-like-me-in-germany.html
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thabet
While discussing evolution in Muslim countries, Salman Hameed touches on a favourite topic of mine, and rightfully notes that separating the ‘belief’ from the ‘believer’ (a neat distinction often used by liberals) is not always possible:
There is no easy option or solution here. The liberal democratic state clearly has to violate its own guarantee to protect ‘freedom of religion’ where that freedom crosses certain limits (e.g. physical harm to the body). This requires either the state to consider what constitutes ‘true’ religion (e.g. are certain forms of dress or physical symbols compulsory acts of faith or mere ‘extras’?), or for believers to adapt their definition of their own ‘religion’ (the most obvious example I can think of is the aversion to FGM many Western Muslims now have, something fairly non-controversial in Muslim societies in the past*).
What do you think?
*And yes, it seems women’s bodies are always the target of these ‘debates’. Though that may be changing.
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abunoor
Journalist Benny Davis, who writes for the expat paper, EuroWeekly News, said: “Brits tends to live in a bubble. With more and more information available in English, there’s less reason to learn Spanish and, as a consequence, less opportunity to understand the local culture. Many residents speak no more than 10 Spanish words in an average week – usually restaurant Spanish – and they pride themselves on ‘getting by’.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/europe-news-
abunoor
Just another example of “unregulated multiculturalism” run amok.
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Maitham
Actually, I would say this is an example of neo-imperialism running its natural course. Spain is on a lower rung of the hegemonic/economic ladder, so they have to welcome well-off retirees and vacationers from the imperial victor, even though they frequently behave like buffoons. Americans in Mexico are at least as bad. In the long run, the tables may turn.
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Maitham
A more pertinent moral-equivalency example might be when Mexico invited white ranchers to settle Texas and gave them generous land grants, then they turned traitor and declared independence.
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thabet
Can someone tell me where multiculturalism is actually ‘regulated’? I’d be interested to see examples.
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Maitham
Well, Thabet, a couple examples off of the top of my head are immigration quotas and mandatory civics education, both major policy priorities for early-20th-century American Progressives. They have since been rightly discredited, but there is still an element of truth in their motivation.
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thabet
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…
Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake: The multiculturalist Left is facilitating Islamization. Leftist multiculturalists are cheering for every new shariah bank, for every new Islamic school, for every new mosque. Multiculturalists consider Islam as being equal to our own culture. Shariah law or democracy? Islam or freedom? It doesn’t really matter to them. But it does matter to us. The entire leftist elite is guilty of practising cultural relativism. Universities, churches, trade unions, the media, politicians. They are all betraying our hard-won liberties.
…it’s probably a duck.
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thabet
Worth noting that ‘sharia finance’ was supported by Nicolas Sarkozy and Gordon Brown, hardly members of the “multicultural left” or any kind of ‘left’. If anything, leftists are going to have rather harsh words to say about ‘Islamic’ financial capitalism as they are about ‘western’ financial capitalism.
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thabet
Well, there’s a surprise: Eric Pickles, Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, turns out to have promoted right-wing tabloid rubbish when he used the Winterval myth last November to try and distract attention from the Tory-led government’s unjust cuts to local and public services.
On a related note, BBC Radio 4 had a programme on negative stories about Muslims in the British press. I got this via Tabloid Watch which noted:
But were any of the newspapers that pump out this rubbish willing to defend their ‘stories’?
Neither the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Star or Sun wished to appear on the programme today, and the editor of the Express was simply ‘too busy’.
Well worth a listen.
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Yakoub
A spokesperson for the toothless Press Complaints Commission agreed to be interviewed, although they no longer “regulate” papers belonging to one of the worst offenders, The Express Group.
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thabet
A positive review, by Charles Moore of all people, of a new book on British Muslims by Atif Imtiaz.
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thabet
She should start by telling her fellow cabinet members this:
Warsi, the first Muslim woman to attend Cabinet, is expected to use a speech at Leicester University today to raise the alarm over the way in which she believes prejudice against Muslims is now seen by many Britons as normal.
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thabet
Some commentary from the a Quilliam drone and Andrew Brown.
The Quillamite makes a sharp distinction between belief and believers which many liberals do but one which is difficult to sustain (or which has no use whatsoever).
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thabet
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thabet
Hitch are discussing. 
Maitham, 
thabet, and 
abunoor are discussing. 
I wish there was context for this. For example given the Minnesota study non-believers are even less trusted than Muslims in the US. So if three questions were asked: Would you prefer a US without non-christians? Or without Muslims? Or without jews? Or without atheists? What would the percentages be? Take other stigmatized groups? How many people, for example would prefer their country to be without homosexuality? Etc etc. 1/3 is bad. But how bad is it in the scheme of general levels of intolerance and bigotry?