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  • thabet 9:14 am on May 19, 2009 Permalink
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    Stupid fools jailed over attempt to firebomb a publisher’s home in London:

    A Muslim extremist has been found guilty of firebombing the home of the publisher of a controversial novel about the Prophet Mohammed and his child bride.

    Abbas Taj, 31, a minicab driver from Forest Gate, East London, had claimed he was simply giving two other men a lift to the house in an exclusive square in Islington, North London.

    The other men, Ali Beheshti, 41, and Abrar Mirza, 23, had already pleaded guilty to conspiracy to recklessly damaging property and endangering life following the attack at 2.30am on Saturday September 27 last year.

     
  • aziz 9:02 am on October 10, 2008 Permalink
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    Excellent review of Jewel of Medina at altmuslim. Apart from widespread historical inaccuracies, the novel also is rife with romanticized, and even (dare we say it?) orientalized views of Islam. And contra Asma Nomani, the novel isn’t about the Prophet SAW at all.

     
  • razib, murtad fitri 2:19 am on October 1, 2008 Permalink
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    Rushdie’s critics lost the battle to ban his book but they have won the war. seems too pessimistic to me….

     
  • aziz 7:03 am on September 29, 2008 Permalink
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    Foiled bomb plot against the UK publisher for Jewel of Madina. This single incident potentially undermines the weeks of outreach, response, and PR that people like Shahed have been doing.

     
    • shahed 9:00 am on September 29, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Here we go again…

    • razib 2:02 pm on September 29, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      well, then perhaps random house had a point and weren’t grandstanding? priors change the likelihood of a posterior….

  • shahed 2:27 pm on September 27, 2008 Permalink
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    For you Brits: I will be a guest on BBC Religion and Ethics Sunday tomorrow morning, talking about (what else?) the Jewel of Medina controversy, which has been covered to death here on TalkIslam.

     
  • Andrea Useem 8:02 am on September 11, 2008 Permalink
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    My take on Jewel of Medina over at Slate: Jones is just doing what Spellberg herself writes about: how muslims have always refashioned aisha in their own image.

     
    • historylover 10:45 pm on September 11, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Yes but sunni muslims have always greatly respected and loved Aisha (RA) and all muslims have greatly loved the Prophet (SAW)

    • baraka 6:30 pm on September 14, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      O Lord. That book excerpt was so badly written and painful to read. The Jewel of Angina (as Willow termed it) indeed.

  • baraka 4:30 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink
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    With apologies to this person, I just got off of a call in which I was told that the “Jewel of Medina” has found a UK publisher as also reported by the Guardian.

    The person who told me, a prominent Muslim American activist, is trying to formulate a response plan & would love your input. She anticipates a “Satanic Verses + Danish Cartoon” level controversy. She was thinking of having Muslim women writers present a range of views on this.

    I thought having scholars and people of faith (drawing from all religious traditions) speak to balancing the responsibilities and the freedoms of speech would also be helpful so that it didn’t just look like “Only Muslims get pissed about this issue.” Respect for religious figures and artistic license is something all people of faith grapple with to some degree.

    I also suggested that an artistic response celebrating the lives of the Prophet, Hazrat Ali & Hazrat Aisha, and, in particular, highlighting Sunni-Shia partnerships in art or other areas would be useful. She said these figures and relationships were denigrated in the book. She has an advance copy, which she said she read with “liberal eyes” and was still horrified by.

    Any other ideas of what kind of response could be given if this does go forward so as to mitigate the “raging Muslims” depiction?

    I realize that because the book hasn’t been published or read by most of us, it’s hard to articulate specific responses, but some general PR/media ideas would be helpful.

    During the cartoon crisis, one image stood out for me: A Muslim man sitting outside of a Danish embassy painting a beautiful picture of the Virgin Mary in response to the cartoons. I would love to see a response like that, a good action in turn for a bad, articulated for this.

     
    • aziz 5:35 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      What’s needed is a show of moderate muslims speaking out in favor of free, and possibly offensive, speech. In discussion with others about the issue I have proposed that we host a roundtable discussion here at Talk islam, and invite the book’s author, other writers and activists (like Willow and Shahed) and also critics like Nomani and Manji as well. The discussion could be hosted at jewelofmedina.talkislam.info and be structured much like Talk Islam’s front page, with evryone posting blog entries as a conversation. We would disable comments on the posts but link to it from here so everyone could cmment on the ongoing debate – comments on each post though would be distracting.

      Heres the email I propose to send out:

      Dear (you)

      The moderate muslim mainstream is not afraid of free speech, nor do we feel that censorship of contriversial books is to our self-interest, even if those books might offend our sensibilities. We firmly believe that freedom of speech is a two way street, and to demonstrate our commitment to that idea, invite you to join a roundtable discussion at Talk Islam (www.talkislam.info) on the topic of the book, The Jewel of Medina. We are approaching authors, writers, and activists from all sides of the debate over this book to participate and believe that a healthy and fruitful discussion can and should take place about the book’s content. We do not support the censorship of Jewel of Medina and we believe that such a discussion will be helpful in returning it to publication in the US, something which we would support in principle, even as we reserve the right to express our feelings and critiques in a civil manner. We sincerely hope you will accept our invitation and join us in common cause for the idea of free speech which we all hold dear, muslims an dnon-muslims alike.

      (edits please…)

    • razib 6:20 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      What’s needed is a show of moderate muslims speaking out in favor of free, and possibly offensive, speech.

      that’s not a moderate muslim perspective, that’s an american (or, more broadly, anglo-scandinavian-american) perspective dawg >:-)

    • andrea u. 7:48 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      i like your idea aziz. i’m not in favor of trying to act as some sort of PR agency for the muslims who, in fact, do rage in the streets.

    • baraka 8:15 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I don’t think her idea was to act as PR for raging Muslims, but rather to draw media attention to far more nuanced responses by a diversity of voices. Rather important as parts of the media tend to love photos of Muslims burning things, while ignoring people trying to initiate dialogue.

      That said, I like your idea Aziz.

    • thabet 9:56 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Can I just say I hate the term ‘moderate Muslim’. I makes me want to vomit.

    • Willow 10:21 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think I’m the last moderate Muslim who doesn’t object to the term moderate Muslim.

      Though Muslim moderator might be more apt, because that seems like all we ever do.

    • Muse 10:51 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Good idea Aziz, but the tone of letter sounds a tad too defensive for my taste, especially since it starts off saying what’s obvious (or at least, it should be obvious…) That said, you cant please everyone. I also suggest opening the comments on the posts, but you can moderate.

      Baraka, I love your idea of an artistic response, especially a collaborative one with Shias and Sunnis. A poem perhaps, or a video if possible.

      Wasnt there supposed to be an altmuslim interview with the author?

    • Muse 11:38 pm on September 4, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I can understand the reasons for doing nothing, especially because its such utter trash that it kind of speaks for itself. And the fact that some Muslims will act like idiots does not make us responsible for their stupidity.

      On the other hand, media might shut the hell up but the only response from Muslims that will be out there is the “crazy Mozlamic” one, and we might not have anyone to blame but ourselves for not providing an alternative.

    • aziz 5:09 am on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      well, regardless of whether its trash, we still need to be seen as defending the right of others to write trash – and in doing so, assert our right to label it as such. We cant call it trash if we 1. havent read it or 2. its never published :)

    • shahed 5:15 am on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Wasnt there supposed to be an altmuslim interview with the author?

      It’s up now.

    • aziz 5:50 am on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      shahed i am linking with commentary from COB.

    • aziz 6:04 am on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      from altmuslim’s interview:

      But I’m really aware and conscious of the choices I made. I have felt that people who didn’t like my book might challenge me and that we could discuss it.

      there you go. Thats an open invitation for a roundtable if I ever heard one.

    • thabet 1:29 pm on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The last comment is probably the smartest thing you have ever said on here, Mushtaq.

    • shahed 2:14 pm on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      i should also add that you people are getting USED FOR PUBLICITY BY THIS WOMAN

      It works both ways. Our interview w/her also helps combat the meme that Muslims are trying to suppress her speech. Right now, that is my overriding concern.

    • Willow 2:26 pm on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I agree with Shahed. Unfortunately, when you’re being used *negatively* for publicity, shutting up doesn’t help. In fact, it implies consent.

    • baraka 2:39 pm on September 5, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Thanks everyone for your input, I’ve sent some of your input to my contact and hopefully she’ll be in touch with Willow, Aziz and/or Shahed soon.

    • San Antonio Lawyer 1:23 am on September 6, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Very nice article. I enjoyed reading your comments as well. Learned a lot from them. Thanks.

    • Dave 2:15 pm on September 6, 2008 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      i think we should engage the author. it would be perfect and wonderful if everyone just shut the hell up, but we smart/”moderate”/educated muslims have tried that and no one got it. that is, americans still don’t understand that there are “regular” americans who like baseball and adam sandler movies* and apple pie but are simultaneously muslims who fast and pray (or atheists born to muslim families who sympathise with muslim political struggles, like palestine, kashmir, etc).

      aziz, set this shite up. it’s a good idea. the best response is to intellectually crush the author – politely, sweetly, with well-sculpted arguments.

      ed said (not a muslim, i know) didn’t keep quiet.

      *for the record, i hate adam sandler movies. but liking them seems to be a sign that you’re a “normal” american.

      as long as i’m here: i, too, despise the term “moderate muslim”. it’s a constant reminder, an apology, an excuse, that “i’m not one of those crazy evil muslims”.

      white people don’t have to classify themselves as “moderate white people”. we give them the benefit of the doubt. from now on, i want all white christians to preface their comments with: “i’m a moderate white christian. i’m not one of those who advocated murdering all bosnian muslims or exterminating the palestinian population.” i’ll only take them seriously after they’ve made such a declaration.

  • thabet 10:29 am on September 3, 2008 Permalink
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    I am sorry, but here is another link on Random House and Jewel of Madina. This time it is to Aziz’s shiny new Beliefnet blog.

     
  • thabet 2:54 pm on August 30, 2008 Permalink
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    Irshad Manji offers her views on the Jewel of Madina controversy.

    (Via Haroon Moghul.)

    Related: See Talk Islam’s Jewel of Madina archives.

     
  • aziz 9:33 am on August 27, 2008 Permalink
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    My first substantive post at Beliefnet is up – a general discussion of the Jewel of Medina controversy.

     
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