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	<title>Talk Islam &#187; Identity</title>
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		<title>&#8216;Mixed-race&#8217; people will be the larges &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/11/18/mixed-race-people-will-be-the-larges/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8216;Mixed-race&#8217; people will be the largest &#8216;minority&#8217; in Britain by 2020.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Mixed-race&#8217; people will be the largest &#8216;minority&#8217; in Britain by <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/race-and-identity-in-21st-century-britain-1023019.html" rel="external">2020</a>.</p>
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		<title>i tend to agree in broad sketches with t &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/11/12/i-tend-to-agree-in-broad-sketches-with-t/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[i tend to agree in broad sketches with what abnoor says.  before 1800 judaism was orthodox judaism (hasidism, karaite sectarians aside).  liberty changed this. reform emerged in germany as a way for jews to be german and jews. reform originally rejected the idea of a jewish ethnicity, an affirmed a jewish religion.  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i tend to agree in broad sketches with what <a href="http://talkislam.info/2008/11/12/a-better-analogy-for-muslims-confronting-modernity/">abnoor says</a>.  before 1800 judaism was orthodox judaism (hasidism, karaite sectarians aside).  <strong>liberty changed this.</strong> reform emerged in germany as a way for jews to be german and jews. reform originally rejected the idea of a jewish ethnicity, an affirmed a jewish religion.  reform shares the broad outlines of christian confessionalism on purpose.</p>
<p>the big difference between reform and orthodox isn&#8217;t belief, <strong>it&#8217;s practice.</strong> reform rejected the centrality of halakah, jewish law,  as the gold standard for judaism.  like christianity reform focused on a particular set of beliefs as well as a communal fellowship.  it even mimicked christian practices such as the usage of organs.</p>
<p>reform addressed the fact that it is very difficult to be a jew who follows halakah and is integrated into gentile life.  this was not a problem before 1800; jews were viewed as corporate entities, and rabbis ran their communities segregated from everyone else.  the only way jews could leave was convert to christianity.  after 1800 this changed, and so the orthodox monopoly which was enabled through christian collusion broke up. jewish individualism resulted in experimentation with various practices, beliefs and organizational styles.</p>
<p>orthodox do not consider non-orthodox jews religious jews. rather, they consider them ethnic jews who practice another religion.  so when the orthodox say &#8220;he&#8217;s become religious&#8221; in regards to another jew, he means that they&#8217;ve become orthodox.</p>
<p>i think the position of islam as a minority religion in the west means that some of the same issues apply. the main difference is that jews were a small community who didn&#8217;t identify with a powerful and robust civilization.</p>
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		<title>I have only skim-read this paper on adve &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/11/06/i-have-only-skim-read-this-paper-on-adve/</link>
		<comments>http://talkislam.info/2008/11/06/i-have-only-skim-read-this-paper-on-adve/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I have only skim-read this paper on advertising, mass media and identity formation in the US, but it seems worthwhile reading in detail, and thinking about how consumption and identity interact.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only skim-read this paper on <a href="http://desedo.com/blog/islam-advertising/" rel="external">advertising, mass media and identity formation in the US</a>, but it seems worthwhile reading in detail, and thinking about how consumption and identity interact.</p>
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		<title>why it would matter if barack obama was  &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/10/14/why-it-would-matter-if-barack-obama-was/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[why it would matter if barack obama was muslim.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://culture11.com/diary/32906">why it would matter if barack obama was muslim</a>.</p>
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		<title>Around half of teachers polled in a rece &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/10/08/around-half-of-teachers-polled-in-a-rece/</link>
		<comments>http://talkislam.info/2008/10/08/around-half-of-teachers-polled-in-a-rece/#comments</comments>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Around half of teachers polled in a recent survey want religious symbols banned from British schools (unsurprisngly reported as a &#8216;ban on headscarves&#8217; by The Torygraph).
Banning &#8216;religious symbols&#8217; is, generally, a waste of time.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around half of teachers polled in a recent survey want religious symbols banned from <a href="http://www.teachers.tv/node/29223" rel="external">British schools</a> (unsurprisngly reported as a &#8216;ban on headscarves&#8217; by <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/primaryeducation/3122961/Ban-Muslim-headscarves-say-teachers.html" rel="external">The Torygraph</a>).</p>
<p>Banning &#8216;religious symbols&#8217; is, generally, a waste of time.</p>
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		<title>Sarfraz Manzoor finds Ziauddin Sardar&#8217;s &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/09/20/sarfraz-manzoor-finds-ziauddin-sardars/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarfraz Manzoor finds Ziauddin Sardar&#8217;s latest offering on British Asian popular culture is &#8220;only fitfully successful&#8221;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarfraz Manzoor finds Ziauddin Sardar&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Balti-Britain-Journey-Through-Experience/dp/1862079315" rel="external">latest offering on British Asian popular culture</a> is <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/sep/21/society.books?gusrc=rss&amp;feed=global" rel="external">&#8220;only fitfully successful&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>I just returned from my company&#8217;s iftar &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/09/17/i-just-returned-from-my-companys-iftar/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I just returned from my company&#8217;s iftar dinner.
I was a little late and something struck me as I tried to find a table.
All the English (white) people were sitting on the same table together.
All the Filipino people were sitting on the same table together.
The rest of the tables were filled with Indians.
By chance (?) I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned from my company&#8217;s <em>iftar</em> dinner.</p>
<p>I was a little late and something struck me as I tried to find a table.</p>
<p>All the English (white) people were sitting on the same table together.</p>
<p>All the Filipino people were sitting on the same table together.</p>
<p>The rest of the tables were filled with Indians.</p>
<p>By chance (?) I only found a table with the half-dozen (British-based) Pakistanis who work in the office.</p>
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		<title>Following recent stories about expatriat &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/09/07/following-recent-stories-about-expatriat/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Following recent stories about expatriates forgetting that Dubai is a &#8220;Muslim country with traditionally conservative values&#8221;*, a British academic living in the Emirate says the behaviour of expatriates could &#8220;fuel radical sentiments&#8221;.
&#8220;Preservation&#8221; of Emirati culture and national identity is something that is routinely brought up in the media. While it is possible to sympathise with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following <a href="http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,,24286428-5001021,00.html" rel="external">recent</a> stories about <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXJjBzwVbcw7aqWsFOQCmRR-Yj8QD92UKDTG0" rel="external">expatriates</a> forgetting that Dubai is a <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/15/MN7C11OUME.DTL&amp;type=printable" rel="external">&#8220;Muslim country with traditionally conservative values&#8221;*</a>, a British academic living in the Emirate says the behaviour of expatriates could <a href="http://www.asianimage.co.uk/search/display.var.2438978.0.dubai_west_and_east_values_clash.php" rel="external">&#8220;fuel radical sentiments&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Government/10206009.html" rel="external">&#8220;Preservation&#8221;</a> of Emirati culture and <a href="http://www.thenational.ae/article/20080416/OPINION/100706505/1006&amp;profile=1006" rel="external">national identity</a> is something that is routinely brought up in the media. While it is possible to sympathise with these complaints, one can easily argue the governments of the various Emirates and other Gulf states have <a href="http://business.maktoob.com/NewsDetails-20070423138654-Bahrain_labour_minister_warns_of_Asian_tsunami.htm" rel="external">made a rod for their own back</a> (and things look set <a href="http://talkislam.info/2008/09/05/it-is-harder-to-get-say-indians-with/" rel="external">to continue this way</a>). </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it will be easy to reverse the trend of young Emiratis becoming &#8216;westernised&#8217; (visit the big malls even in a relatively conservative city like Abu Dhabi), if that is what motivates the complaints. It may not even be possible.</p>
<p><em>*Stop laughing at the back.</em></p>
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		<title>Perry Anderson looks closely at Kemalism &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/09/06/perry-anderson-looks-closely-at-kemalism/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Perry Anderson looks closely at Kemalism&#8217;s &#8220;brittle secularism&#8221;, noting the complicated picture prior to the (official) end of the Ottoman sultanate than is typically portrayed in the literature of certain Islamist groups.
But, as noted earlier, Kemalism was not the sharp break with the &#8216;past&#8217; it attempted to be or is thought to be:
Though it broke, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perry Anderson looks closely at Kemalism&#8217;s <a rel="external" href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n17/print/ande01_.html">&#8220;brittle secularism&#8221;</a>, noting the complicated picture prior to the (official) end of the Ottoman sultanate than is typically portrayed in the literature of certain Islamist groups.</p>
<p>But, <a rel="external" href="http://talkislam.info/2008/09/03/a-discernable-intellectual-lineage-can-a/">as noted earlier</a>, Kemalism was not the sharp break with the &#8216;past&#8217; it attempted to be or is thought to be:</p>
<blockquote><p>Though it broke, sharply and abruptly, with Ottoman culture in one fundamental respect by abolishing its script and so at a stroke cutting off new generations from all written connection with the past, in its distance from the masses Kemalism not only inherited an Ottoman tradition, but accentuated it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Plus, Anderson notes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Kemalism did not so much separate religion from the state as subordinate it to the state, creating &#8216;directorates&#8217; that took over the ownership of all mosques, appointment of imams, administration of pious foundations – in effect, turning the faith into a branch of the bureaucracy.</p></blockquote>
<p>The article also touches on Kemal, the man:</p>
<blockquote><p>Towards the end, photographs of Kemal have something of the glazed look of a worn roué: a general incongruously reduced to a ravaged lounge lizard, terminal blankness nearby. Stricken with cirrhosis, he died in late 1938, at the age of 57.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>[T]he complete absence of a non-migrant  &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/09/03/the-complete-absence-of-a-non-migrant/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[T]he complete absence of a non-migrant (or distant migrant) African-American Muslim voice in [Melody] Moezzi’s book [War On Error: Real Stories of American Muslims] is troubling. There is much bitterness among African-American Muslims about what many see as the dominance of migrant Muslims from the Middle East and Asia in Muslim religious and community affairs. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a rel="external" href="http://www.altmuslim.com/a/a/a/2796/">[T]he complete absence of a non-migrant (or distant migrant) African-American Muslim voice in [Melody] Moezzi’s book [<em>War On Error: Real Stories of American Muslims</em>] is troubling. There is much bitterness among African-American Muslims about what many see as the dominance of migrant Muslims from the Middle East and Asia in Muslim religious and community affairs. African-American Muslims – whether of the more heterodox “Nation of Islam” variety or from more mainstream denominations - are a growing force in American Islam. America’s first two Muslim Congressmen are both African-American. It seems curious that Moezzi could not find a single African-American Muslim prepared to talk about his or her faith on the record.</a></p></blockquote>
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