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  • thabet 2:17 am on August 25, 2010 Permalink
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    A Muslim woman is suing a Disney-owned restaurant for discrimination:

    Imane Boudlal said she has worked as a hostess at Storyteller’s Café in Disney’s Grand Californian Hotel & Spa for two years and began wearing her hijab Sunday but was told she would have to remove it or take a job working out of public view.

    On Wednesday, shortly after filing a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Boudlal made her fourth attempt of the week — the first with videographers, photographers and reporters in tow — to begin her afternoon shift at the resort-district restaurant, which features a Chip ‘n’ Dale theme.

    Boudlal said she was again told to take off her hijab, the headscarf some Muslim women wear. Boudlal refused and walked out of the hotel, flanked by chanting supporters.

    “I’ve been sent home,” she said. “I thought maybe today is my lucky day because I have my friends, my supporters.”

     
    • Hitch 7:03 am on August 25, 2010 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This isn’t really religious discrimination. If this stands we will see people showing up with Che, Anarchy Now, Jesus Loves You and other T-Shirts to work and insist on doing customer-interaction.

      • Naved 1:52 am on August 26, 2010 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Hitch,

        Your examples would likely have to prove that they are a legitimate interpretation of some religious injunction. Are Christians required to wear shirts that say Jesus Loves You?

        • Hitch 7:11 am on August 26, 2010 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          There is some real trickery with the point of “legitimate interpretation of some religious injunction”. But in any case, this is rather a question of rule neutrality, which I tried to point to, albeit too casually for sure. Employers are fine to have neutral rules and they cannot fire someone who cannot follow a neutral rule for religious reasons. But they are not required to keep an employee in any role if a neutral rule conflicts with religious exercise. For example a male Sikh hair-dress model cannot insist on a turban against an employer rule that no head-wear is allowed and claim discrimination even if the employer offered a compatible alternative job role that removes the conflict with the rule.

          But yes, if it surfaces that the employer ever has allowed head-wear the story changes, but it really doesn’t require a legitimacy test.

          In fact the court really virtually cannot judge on or for legitimacy tests because it goes against the Lemon test/establishment.

          So yes, a christian group may decide that wearing a “Jesus Loves You” T-Shirt is required in their denomination. Or an anarchist group may declare itself a religion. The court won’t be in any good position to judge the legitimacy of that.

  • mirelle 8:46 am on April 20, 2010 Permalink
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    Private foster placement agency Contemporary Family Services, Inc. (which has a contract with the state of Maryland) told prospective Muslim foster parents that their application was declined because of the following:

    We are denying your application because of concerns raised by statements made during the home study interview, specifically your explicit request to prohibit pork products within your home environment.

    UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh goes on to say: “The CFS decision described in the letter strikes me as quite unjustifiable.” One of my online friends (who is graduating this spring with a law degree) asks rhetorically, “So what exact religion is it where you have to eat pork?”

    Baltimore Sun article

    ACLU complaint with Baltimore City Community Relations Commission

     
    • abunoor 12:49 pm on April 20, 2010 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The decision is absolutely bizarre, and it is good that it is being challenged.

      May Allah (swt) reward the sister for becoming a foster parent.

      By the way, it should be noted that the preference legally should be to have foster children placed in a foster home of the same religion if it is possible…though I also applaud the sister’s willingness to try to meet the needs of non-Muslim foster children as best she could, which is what should be done if placing in a home of the same religion is for some reason not possible.

  • bingregory 11:13 pm on March 24, 2010 Permalink
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    Muslims Unwelcome in the US Military:

    Before he enlisted, the recruiters in his home town of Bradenton, Fla., had told him that the Army desperately needed Muslim soldiers like him to help win the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Yet ever since, he had been filing complaint after complaint with his commanders. After he was ordered not to fast and pray. After his Koran was torn up. After other soldiers jeered and threw water bottles at him. After his platoon sergeant warned him to hide his faith to avoid getting a “beating” by fellow troops. But nothing changed.

    Then came the November shootings at Fort Hood and the arrest of a Muslim soldier he’d never met: Maj. Nidal M. Hasan, who is charged with killing 13 people and injuring more than 30 in a massacre that stunned the nation. And with it, things only got worse.

     
    • aziz 12:00 am on March 25, 2010 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      this isnt a representative case. I know a muslim friend personally who is serving in Alabama. After Fort Hood, his superior was quite concerned about harassment, but none materialized. They are even working with him to obtain special dispensation for his beard.

      • bingregory 12:46 am on March 25, 2010 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Maybe not: the article also quotes other muslim soldiers who haven’t had a hard time of it. And yet absent any glimmer of provocation on Klawonn’s part, it still looks like a systemic problem.

  • johnpi 11:40 pm on December 20, 2009 Permalink
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    A US appeals court has ruled that Muslims and Arab non-citizens have no right “to be free of selective enforcement of the immigration laws based on national origin, race, or religion….”

    The plaintiffs initiated the lawsuit in 2002 on behalf of Arab and Muslim aliens who were held on immigration violations following the Sept. 11 terror attacks and subjected to abuse, mistreatment and lengthy detentions.

    The abuse included beatings, strip searches and sleep deprivation. The allegations have been substantiated by two reports by the Office of the Inspector General.

    Five of the men settled with the government in November. A sixth plaintiff withdrew his claims several years ago.

    Rachel Meeropol of the Center for Constitutional Rights served as lead counsel for the plaintiffs. She called Friday’s ruling a “mixed bag.”

    “By dismissing [the equal protection] claim, the circuit has endorsed using religion and ethnicity as a proxy for suspicion of terrorist activity. That’s the part of the decision we’re disappointed in,” Meeropol said.

    Case ruling here.

    (via)

     
  • johnpi 10:35 am on December 16, 2009 Permalink
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    Europe Muslims face rising discrimination: report.

    Nothing new here to anyone that is paying attention.

     
  • johnpi 9:42 pm on December 12, 2009 Permalink
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    Fort Hood ups challenge to recruit Muslim, Arab troops.

    Army recruiter Sgt. Chris McGarity is on the front lines of the military’s effort to add troops who speak Arabic and understand Middle Eastern culture — a battle that grew more challenging after the shooting at Fort Hood, Texas.
    McGarity says he recently signed up an Arab-American high school student who lacked only her parents’ approval to enlist. Then came the Nov. 5 rampage at Fort Hood. The Army has charged Maj. Nidal Hasan, 39, a Muslim and Arab American, with killing 13 people and wounding 32.

    The high school student’s mother “made her withdraw her application,” McGarity says.

    Such experiences illustrate heightened fears of discrimination and harassment aimed at Arab-American and Muslim troops since the Fort Hood shooting, says Mikey Weinstein, a former Air Force lawyer who founded the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which advocates for separation between church and state in the military.

    Muslims in the military experience “horrible” discrimination, he says.

    Before the shooting at Fort Hood, the foundation had 80 Muslim clients who had reported instances of discrimination and harassment, Weinstein says. Complaints jumped 20% to 103 in the weeks after the shooting. “We had people almost immediately … being told ‘you people’ should not be in the military,” he says.

     
  • buzz 6:09 pm on December 3, 2009 Permalink
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    Muslim Americans faced more anti-Muslim bias but fewer physical assaults in 2008, according to a report released Thursday (Dec.3) by the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations.

    Full Story

     
  • johnpi 6:50 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink
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    Fort Hood anti-Muslim Backlash immediate.

    Funny thing about this story is that there is no “lead,” no summary or topic sentence, just backlash examples and background information on Hasan.

    His name had barely been released, his heritage and history not immediately known, but the reaction was fast and furious.

    “Jihad at Fort Hood?” read the headline of a post on the Jihad Watch blog just moments after Nidal Malik Hasan was identified as the alleged perpetrator of a mass shooting at the Texas military base that killed 12 people and wounded 31 others.

    “The name tells us a lot, does it not, senator?” Fox News’s Shep Smith said while interviewing Kay Bailey Hutchison, a Texas senator.

    This is also where I become very critical of the older civil rights and anti-discrimination organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center. There is not one word today on the possible impending backlash from this attack on either their blog or their website. Yet, if you read the linked story above you’ll see progressive/liberal bloggers (ideologically, the SPLC’s fellow travelers) throughout the blogosphere are talking/cautioning/warning and imploring people to resist collective punishment/retaliation. The SPLC does note anti-Muslim attacks from time to time, but it seems to be wearing blinders the rest of the time when it comes to Muslims.

     
    • Zack 7:16 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Where’s the backlash? The linked article mentions one phone call and one blog headline. Pathetic!

      • shams 9:43 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Here you go Zack…..
        read some of the 4000+ comments on this thread.

        • Zack 12:27 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          So some people are spouting hate on blog comment threads. What’s special about that?

          • shams 4:10 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            the usual length of a hotair thread is 300 to 600 comments.
            go hang out with your murtad partisan hack buddy and the rest of Jafi-opsphere, Zack.

            • Zack 2:48 pm on November 7, 2009 Permalink

              Shams, Which murtad buddy? And I am not the one who’s linking to and reading the jafi-osphere, you are.

              As for my point, it was simply that you trivialize ‘backlash’ by looking at Internet postings.

    • mirelle 7:20 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’d just like to point out that it’s not even business hours yet where SPLC is located (Montgomery, Alabama). Not every blog/website is updated 24/7. Yet.

    • tiernanlaw 10:54 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Let’s see: This Maggot Muslim Murderer called out “god is Great” while he committed Mass murder.

      THERE SHOULD BE A BCAKLASH – Not a bashing of innocent people, but a reaction to this that INCLUDES more investigations of Muslim soilders – Unfortunatley this maggot, and the maggots of 9-11 have made this a necessary reality. Otherwise, this will happen again and again, as with the grenade killing by muslim soilder in Iraq. FACTS ARE FACT!

      • shams 11:08 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        and guess what?
        until we fold America’s tents on the UNJUST wars of proselytization in Afghanistan and Iraq, this stuff is going to keep happening.

      • aziz 11:19 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        yes, investigate muslim soldiers. Start with Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan.

    • J. Kactuz 11:56 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      No matter how you frame this debate, the issue always comes back to Islam. Once again we see a Muslim doing what the Quran teaches (9:111).

      Once again we see many people in the West making excuses for actions done by Muslims in the name of their god. We see false comparisons to other vile actions in which there is no record of the murderer yelling “Jesus saves” “Via Buddha” “This is for Joseph Smith” or whatever.

      Many people have good intentions in defending “moderate” Muslims from backlash and intolerance but these same intentions (“only a few bad guys that misinterpret Islam”) are the ones that allow the hate and violence to thrive.

      Until Muslims understand that Islam has a problem, nothing will change. Muslims need to ask themselves why hate and violence come so easy to Muslims. Muslims need to take a long hard look at the teachings of the Quran and the life of the man after whose name they say “Praise be unto him”. Muslims need to be told that aspects of their faith and many of their daily practices, especially in Islamic countries” are vile and unacceptable. In case you don’t know I am refering to the institutionalized discrimination and persecution of non-Muslims, women, jews and gays in Muslims countries. Our leader give Muslims a pass on this as if it were not relevant. Why should we think that Muslims in the West are any different from those in Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, malaysia, Lybia, etc….?

      Bad times are coming. I blame Islam and people in the West that refuse to be honest about these things.

      Kactuz

      • null 12:11 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Oh hey everyone, look J Kactuz is here to tell us about our faith. Gather around!

        • kevin 4:13 pm on November 9, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I’ll tell you about your faith – your god requires you to kill, enslave or convert all other humans. Nothing else about your religion is important.

      • Buzz 12:15 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Until Muslims understand that Islam has a problem, nothing will change.

        There are actually two problems:
        1. Islamophobios like J. Kactuz
        2. Anti-Americanos like null

        Once we mop up that mess, we should be able to move on.

        • null 12:17 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I’m not an anti-American buzz. Not at all.

        • null 12:21 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I’m kind of surprised Buzz, because I think I’ve been pretty clear on these boards that I don’t hold any particular animus towards America. There are some European countries you couldn’t pay me to live in, but I certainly don’t feel that way about the US and have no hesitancy in saying its one of, if not the best, countries on earth.

          • Buzz 12:26 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            You tend to react pretty negatively to me and pro-American attitudes….and you couldn’t wait to throw your confetti and do your little dance when you heard about American Malik Nadal Hassan.

            Am I confused? I think you have made yourself exceedingly clear.

            Anyway, the point is the same. A bomb went off in Palestine in the 1960s and the carnage keeps piling up. Two sides that hate each other.

            • null 12:36 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink

              I don’t dislike you for being pro-American buzz. There may be certain opinions I don’t like, but that has nothing to do with your American-ness.

              I wasn’t throwing confetti, and I certainly didn’t do a little dance. That’s sick. Are you really accusing me of being happy that a man murdered these young people?

              It doesn’t mean I’m anti-American to point out that gun violence is a real problem, and the odd shoot up is not really out of place in the American landscape. There was one at the same base, last year. This probably has to with your right/ease to bear arms, which is heavily restricted in other parts of the world, more than anything else. I’m not saying Americans or bad, or wishing them ill. That’s all.

            • Buzz 12:38 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink

              Thank you for your balanced restatements.

            • null 12:48 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink

              I haven’t revised my comments. Only answered your accusations by repeating myself.

      • shams 1:12 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Run along WEC and proselytize molest some more children like Rifqa Bary.

    • Dr F. Mark Cartert 8:55 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Just read Infidel by Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She is an intelligent brave Somali, who is an ex Muslim. She is living under a fatuous Fatwa. She really drops the goods on this so called peaceful religion of Islam.

    • J. Kactuz 9:13 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Let me be very clear about this: I don’t like Islam. Let me also assure you that I probably know more about Islam than any of you. I have read the Quran many times, the ahadeeth, Tabari, Hisham, Kathir, etc… I visit Muslims site regularly.

      The facts are simple: Islam teaches hate and violence. Your dear prophet attacked his neighbors dozens of times. If you read the Traditions you will find stories of attack, plunder, murder, enslavement of men women and children, rape of captives, torture and abuse of women.

      The lastest atrocity is just another incident of many that have happened and that will occur.

      Even so, Muslims refuse to consider the role of Islam in all of this, choosing to blame 14 other things.

      Yes, there are good Muslims, but I don’t think these good people will stand up for freedom and equality when the cards are down. Like I said, most Muslims in most Islamic societies do not stand up for non-Muslims. That tells me all I need to know about how much you care about freedom, equality and human rights..

      You guys can laugh, ignore me or hate me, I don’t care. I do what I have to do and I say what needs to be done. The future will not be nice. You and your children will suffer, as will all of us. I bame islam. Muslims do not want peace and cannot live peaceful with the rest of humanity. If you read the news, Muslims can’t even live peacefully with each other.

      Why don’t Muslims ever ask themslves why hate and violence come so easily to Islam?

      Kactuz

      • shams 9:43 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Islam teaches hate and violence.

        Well…..at a quarter of the worlds population and growin’, you best hope you are wrong about muslims, twodigit. White christians are on their way to extinction……the future of xianity is black, yellow and brown. Do you think the multi-hued will hold special affection for the revnants of Big White Christian Bwana?
        I don’t. :)
        If you are correct about our intentions……it is not OUR children that will suffer….but yours.
        New Caliphate FTW!

      • Buzz 11:24 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        These are the reasons I HATE Islam:
        1. Islam teaches hate.
        2. Muslims never ask why hate and violence come so easily to Islam
        3. Muslims choose to blame 14 other things.
        4. Islam teaches hate! Did I say that already?
        Kactuz Clown

      • Dan 2:43 am on November 7, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        “Like I said, most Muslims in most Islamic societies do not stand up for non-Muslims.”

        Hey Kactuz Kunt, maybe you should Google Asma Jehangir and Hina Jillani before talking out of your ass on that claim.

        Get lost you worthless maggot.

    • jerkface 10:08 pm on November 6, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Interesting blog…myself I’m hoping for a zombie apocolypse but hey, I’m an optimist!…
      …religion…”race”….none of it matters,….just be happy!…and don’t get bit by no zombies!

    • kevin 4:09 pm on November 9, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      13 infidels murdered and 29 infidels wounded – Muslims claim they are the victims.

      • Buzz 4:17 pm on November 9, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Count the bodies in Iraq and Palestine, kevin.
        1000:1? 10,000:1? More?

        I would say that the comparison is faulty but they are both works of madness. The former is probably hatred. The later, greed.

  • johnpi 7:23 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink
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    Texas clinic apologizes for telling Muslim doctor she can’t wear headscarf.

     
    • aziz 7:34 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Good. I saw the earlier thread on this, but with all due respect to Buzz it’s total crap to equate this case with something like demanding full face-veiling on drivers’ licenses. Thats what the jafisphere does and its akin to equating any religious observance with its most extreme form.

      Wearing a head scarf in no way interferes with the duties of a physician and the whole defense that it was a “no hat policy” was transparently bogus from the beginning.

      • Buzz 7:44 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I made no such argument.

        And these cases are almost always won, as I showed with people fired for bearing crosses, other forms of annoying and superficial proselytization and my personal favorite:

        Dudes who sued Hooters for gender descrimination for not hiring males servers. Hooters has settled atleast two of those suits.

        Hollow victories all. Congratulations to all you on the religious right who like to wear crosses and bear your religion on your sleeve and force it down the rest of your fellow citizens’ throats. Congrats on workin the system.

        • aziz 8:06 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          you freely label this case as an example of “annoying and superficial prosletyzation”, which is indeed implicitly equating it to the drivers license case.

          theres nothing superficial about her demand to be allowed to wear hijab in this instance.

          • Buzz 8:22 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            How do you know? Why did she have to be so public and go to CAIR? Why couldn’t it have been handled privately?

            What is total crap is that people feel the need to externalize their religion and spread it like a virus. There are verses in the Qur’an that attest to just this, people who make a show of their religion.

            This is a step away from America an into something different and wretched. Strong arming employers into making PC accomodations is not a victory. It is a defeat for freedom.

            If you get passed the damn hijab and look at all the other accomodations that have to be made as well, a wise person will realize where this fake diversity road leads.

            Anyway, again, congrats to all the relgious conservatives out there. I am sure you will demand that I wear something stupid soon too.

            • Buzz 8:25 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink

              Beat the holiday rush, order yours now.

            • aziz 8:33 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink

              you’re full of fire on this, but you’re still not addressing the concrete details of the case which do distinguish it from other cases like the DL hijabi case; namely that there is no reason to forbid her from wearing a scarf because it does not interfere with her duties in any way.

              Further, there is no imposition of her faith on anyone else, so your “you will demand I wear something stupid” comment is akin to the dhummies’ insistence that every muslim personally practicing their faith is somehow “imposing” Shari’a on everyone else. in no way does her wearing it impose anything on anyone else.

              and you are being disingenous to link to the previous post about niqab. Since when is hijab equal to niqab?

            • Buzz 8:51 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink

              I already addressed the issue and never brought up DL practicality issues…ever!

              To repeat: (let’s assume) as a private medical institution, I would like the opportunity to “Brand” my public face. I don’t want the doctors who work in our clinics to bear religious symbols while they are treating the public.

              There may be a Jew who feels uncomfortable with a Muslim . There may be a Muslim who feels distrustfule of Christians. Etc etc etc etc etc………………….

              Huh? You get it? Why does Walmart dictate a smock to be worn? Because they want the same message going out to all customers from all employees: “How can I help you the customer as a walmart employee.” Not a walmart evangelist of Jesus Christ the only true Savior and only true Salvation.

              There are jobs that are not customer facing where a hijab would not disrupt the private company’s right to control image and make a profit.

              Doctor in a clinic is not one one of them.

              Dr. What’s her face should find a clinic who has a charter to front diversity (like Kaiser actively does) rather than making a nuisance of herself there.

              And Ibrahim Hooper can still go eff himself. His actions will not help Muslims in the long run. Just alienate them.

            • Buzz 8:54 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink

              and you are being disingenous to link to the previous post about niqab. Since when is hijab equal to niqab?

              It is you who does not understand. We are talking about texas general public. They don’t know hijab, burqa, niqab, shinola

            • Buzz 8:59 pm on November 2, 2009 Permalink

              Not a walmart evangelist of Jesus Christ the only true Savior and only true Salvation.

              religion is scary to alot of people. Islam is double scary.

              I wouldn’t want a Hari Krishna checking me for hernias. Those people look crazy. Where does the line get drawn and not drawn arbitrarily?

    • Davis 10:59 am on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      There may be a Jew who feels uncomfortable with a Muslim . There may be a Muslim who feels distrustfule of Christians. Etc etc etc etc etc………………….

      There may be a white person uncomfortable with a black person, and vice versa. Does that mean that black employees shouldnt be hired because they’re black or white employees shouldn’t be hired because they’re white?

      • Buzz 11:56 am on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        This was addressed in the previous thread as well. Skin color, race is not something that can be put on and off. Culture can.

    • Davis 1:42 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This is not culture. This is someone’s philosophical or religious belief. You keep on talking about America and its values but know jack about what makes the American project different and successful in many ways. People’s beliefs/ideas are respected as long as they don’t inflict harm on other people or take away their property. Absent any reasonable explanation of how wearing a hijab makes her a bad employee in terms of her ability, she should be able to wear her hijab. If the customers refuse to get treated by her because she has one on , that is their issue. Ignorance should not be encouraged.

      • Buzz 2:19 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You are forcing the private sector to fund your politics. That is not American. You can go to the public sector with your diversity project, no problem. When you step on the private sector, now you have really limited freedom.

        It is a subtle issue and really not as black and white as you make it out to be. When you give one side carte blanche, you hurt the other side. When you are employed by someone, you willingly surrender some of your personal freedom to be a representative of that enterprise. That enterprise has a right to enforce limits on how its employees interact with the public.

        • Buzz 2:21 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          “Hello, Bank of America, this is Wendy, have you heard the Good News?”

        • Buzz 2:29 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          How far are you willing to go, Davis? Supposed I hired this guy and he shows up a week later with a new “philosophical or religious belief.”

          Do I have to put the nimrod out on my floor to talk to my customers? AM I supposed to pretend it doesn’t affect my business?

      • abunoor 3:18 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Davis, excellent points. I appreciate your comment.

      • Buzz 4:04 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        And by the way, Davis, headscarf is TOTALLY culture. It is not a dictate or requirement of Islam. It is simply a cultural interpretation. Some people hate that fact.

        • Buzz 4:05 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Just like you can be a Christian without wearing a big phoney cross on your neck.

    • abunoor 4:16 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Unless of course your employer tells you to wear the headscarf. Then you absolutely must do it. There can be nothing higher than the sacred obligation of the employer to do what his customers like and the employee to do what the employer likes. That is true piety. These people with their “religions” and all that, pay no attention to them.

      Davis, I don’t know if you are Muslim or how much you know about Islam but the hijab is without any doubt a religious obligation in Islam.

      Of course, as you also know since you seem to realize that this is not some new issue that Buzz just came up with, but something well established in employment and constitutional law in the US, the test has to whether a religious practice deserves protection is not whether Buzz or Abu Noor says it is one but whether it is a sincerely held religiously motivated practice of the person in question, which in this case it obviously is which is why the clinic has apologized.

      Thank God that despite all the ignorance and small mindedness out there, there are many many Americans who are not like Buzz on this issue.

      • Buzz 4:18 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Name calling, last refuge of the weak position.

      • Buzz 4:19 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        You want a caliphate anyway, Mr. Pro-American.
        What a crock.

        • Buzz 4:27 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          but the hijab is without any doubt a religious obligation in Islam.

          Actually, I should thank Abu Noor instead of condemning him. You need these kinds of demonstration from ultra-conservatives to explain EXACTLY WHY you cannot mandate these things.

          Abu Noor just condemned all Muslim women who choose not wear hijab. WELCOME TO AMERICA!!!

          • Buzz 4:30 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            And don’t think for a second that their weird obsession stops there. EVERYONE should be under some kind of conrtrol and wearing some kind of costume.

            While there is nothing wrong with hijab, per se, with some personal choice for modesty, there is something seriously wrong with these people.

          • Muse 4:31 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Buzz, your animosity towards hijab is baffling. I expected better from you.

          • Buzz 4:34 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Maybe it is hard for hijab wearers to understand.

            • Buzz 4:34 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink

              Ask someone who DOES NOT want to wear hijab but is Muslim. Maybe that will help.

            • null 7:02 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink

              That would be me Buzz. Still baffling, but I don’t expect better from you. So there’s that.

            • Buzz 7:17 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink

              Yeah, I know what to expect from you too null. But I am more interested in issues and less in personal judgements.
              So there’s that

          • abunoor 4:43 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I didn’t condemn anyone Buzz. Nor did I call you any names.

            Read more carefully.

            • Buzz 7:19 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink

              Thank God that despite all the ignorance and small mindedness out there, there are many many Americans who are not like Buzz on this issue.

              Type more carefully or read what you write.

      • Dan 4:47 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Sorry abunoor, but there is still no clear consensus on the validity of the hijab within many Muslim scholars.

        That being said, I will support a woman’s right to wear it as it is her choice.

        • Buzz 4:50 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I will support a woman’s right to wear it as it is her choice.

          To be clear Dan, so will I. In her private and public life, I completely support people’s freedom to do as they please if they do not affect others adversely.

          And there in lies the problem. The employer has rights too. And they should be respected. The workplace is not a forum for religious expression.

          Or not in my opinion.

          • Buzz 4:52 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            It can and should be tolerated (religious idols, talismans and other symbols) where it does not affect business.

          • Dan 4:57 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            For me, it’s okay as long as it does not interfere with the job. The niqaab, on the other hand, it should be banned 100%.

            • Buzz 5:26 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink

              I don’t know if you are right or not on niqaab, impose on personal freedom or allow be laissez faire on something that could end up affecting a whole society. There are benefits and problems both ways.

              It is weird how so much of Islamic politics hinges on a piece of cloth that should really just be a personal decision for women. Had it stayed that way, none of this would be a problem.

        • abunoor 4:57 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Dan, I don’t see any reason for you to be sorry.

          I don’t think the word you are looking for is “validity.” Perhaps you mean that there are scholars who do not feel hijab is obligatory. Of course it depends on what one means by scholars.

          This issue is just about as universal as one gets in the world of Islamic fiqh, but of course like any issue it is possible there is some disagreement. Of course, the fact that someone out there disagrees with something is not a reason that it cannot be stated. Then we’d never say anything.

    • Muse 4:37 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Ask someone who DOES NOT want to wear hijab but is Muslim. Maybe that will help.

      I know plenty of people like this – my own mother for example. Luckily none of them will agree with you here.

      • Buzz 4:47 pm on November 3, 2009 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        the hijab is without any doubt a religious obligation in Islam. -Abu Noor

        Please inform your nice mother that she is not meeting her religious obligations according to the usual suspects.

  • johnpi 7:42 pm on October 30, 2009 Permalink
    Tags: , , discrimination against Muslims,   

    Dallas clinic to Muslim doctor: Its policy bars headscarf.

    A Muslim doctor interviewing for a job at a suburban Dallas medical clinic says officials there told her she couldn’t wear her headscarf in the workplace.

    Dr. Hena Zaki of Plano, Texas, said Friday that she was shocked when CareNow officials told her that a no-hat policy extended to her hijab.

    The 29-year-old doctor wants an apology and a change in CareNow’s policy.

    However, CareNow President Tim Miller says he sees nothing wrong with the policy and feels no need to apologize. In a statement, his company says it does not discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion or national origin in employment decisions.

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations calls CareNow’s policy “a blatant violation” of federal law.

     
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