The riot blogs. I’ve been blogging about the UK riots almost from the beginning. Lots of links to comment on the Left and Right, but given the stupidity of some of it, expect strong language from me.
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plimfix
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thabet
Times Square bomber ‘sentenced to life in prison’.
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thabet
A five-year-old British boy, of Pakistani origin, has been kidnapped while in Pakistan:
Sahil Saeed from Oldham, Greater Manchester, was taken from the Punjab region this morning after the family was held captive and robbed by five men armed with guns and hand grenades.
Sahil had been staying with his grandmother in the city of Jhelum and was due to return home today, the British high commission in Islamabad said.
Sahil’s father, Raja Naqqash Saeed, described today how his family were beaten and kicked during a six-hour ordeal that began when men broke into the house last night.
“They took me into the separate room and they tortured me,” he told Sky News. “They said: ‘We will take your son and you will have to pay £100,000.’
“They took my son. They were fully loaded with guns and hand grenades. All Pakistan police know about this, and the British Council.”
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johnpi
Australian politicians have been sharpening the points on top of their heads.
Australia says attacks on Indians harm Indian ties.
The government is committed to preventing attacks against Indian students studying in Australia, which are harming relations with India and damaging the nation’s reputation, a minister said Tuesday while conceding that some assaults appeared racially motivated.
No kidding? Whoda thunk it…
At least they’re finally doing something about it:
Smith said police in four states had recently made arrests for violent crimes against Indians, including 45 arrested in Victoria.
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johnpi
At a Houston high school, a Pakistan-born teen allegedly hired a Somali-born teen to murder his mother. Now both are in jail awaiting trial on capital (death penalty if convicted) murder charges.
The motive?
Investigators say Minhas simply didn’t want to follow her house rules.
“These were not unusual restrictions- curfew, be home at night, stay off the freeway- very simple rules any parent that’s responsible would ask their child to do,” said Harris.
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johnpi
A powerful metaphor for official Australia’s response to violence against Indians.
Last spring, the Victoria police set up a special official help line exclusively for Indians to call in the wake of a spat of violent assaults targeting them.
Indians who have recently tried to place calls report that nobody answers the phone.
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johnpi
The partially burnt corpse of another murdered Indian national has been discovered on a rural Australian road, prompting the government of India to issue a travel advisory to its citizens about visiting Australia.
In the advisory, India’s government said: “The ministry of external affairs cautions Indian students who are planning to study in Australia that there have been several incidents of robbery and assault on Indians in Australia, particularly in Melbourne, which has seen an increase in violence on its streets in recent years, with the offenders suspected to be mainly young people in their teens and early 20s.”
Australia’s response: Hey, everybody’s doing it.
Australia’s acting foreign minister, Simon Crean, said he hoped “wiser heads” would prevail, insisting Australia, and in particular Melbourne, was a safe place for foreign students as the city had one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.
“[Melbourne] is not the only place that deaths happen,” he said. “They happen in India. They happen in Mumbai. They happen in Delhi.”
Here’s another Youtube video of an assault in Australia, this one in September on a Sri Lankan man waiting for a train.
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pi.info
Visa applications by Indians to study in Australia fell at twice the pace of students from other countries amid attacks on Indian nationals and the financial collapse of some private colleges.
Applications by Indians from abroad fell 46 percent to 11,183 between July and October 2009 compared with a year earlier, according to data from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship. Applications from all countries dropped 23 percent to 58,103 during the period, it said.
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Anthony
Indians should be in India and not Australia. These people are quick to cry about colonization, but want the right to colonize other lands. I doubt it is Aussies doing this, most of the crime in Australia is done by Lebanese Muslim gangs.
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cbarwa
Indians should be in India and not Australia
By that logic, all white Australians should return to the Motherland in Europe.
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Dan
Have you even been in Australia, Anthony? Obviously not. I’ve spent time in the country, and while some crime is committed by Lebanese gangs, the claim that they are all Muslim is not entirely correct. There are Vietnamese gangs are pretty notorious in Cabramatta, whereas Assyrian CHRISTIAN gangs in Fairfield have had their fair share of gang activity, and Perth has its share of Aboriginals engaging in fights with everyone else. And as for Aussies not doing this, I guess you forgot what happened in Cronulla more than 4 years ago. Have you even spent time in Kings Cross? A lot of stabbings occur there, and guess who they are committed by? Yeah, white anglo Aussies.
And as for the “Indians should be in India” claim, you are an idiot.
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Anthony
cbarwa 11:15 pm on January 6, 2010 Permalink | Reply
Indians should be in India and not Australia
By that logic, all white Australians should return to the Motherland in Europe.
You sound like a racist. Australia was created by Europeans, not kids from Calcutta or Karachi.
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Dan
Incorrect, Australia was conceived by Anglo-Saxon immigrants. Anyone who is from southern/southeastern Europe, which includes Italians, Greeks, Turks, Macedonians, Maltese, or anyone else from the Balkans, for that matter, knew what Hell it was like when they first stepped off from the boat in Australia back in the 1950′s and 1960′s.
Australia benefits greatly from immigrants, you racist twat.
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cbarwa
not kids from Calcutta or Karachi.
Karachi is in Pakistan, not India by the way. At least bother to learn the geography of the countries you are insulting, it makes you look that tiny bit less stupid
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Anthony
You’re wrong Dan, Irish aren’t Anglo Saxon. Australia doesn’t need Indians, only a Jew would think that. The Indians should stay in India. You Jews shouldn’t decide what non Jews want.
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Dan
hahahahaha Australia doesn’t need Indians? Get off your high horse you clown. Australia benefits immensely from immigration. Indians have done a lot of work to make Australia better, as have every other immigrant group. How about you STFU and go back to Stormfront or Jihadwatch instead?
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cbarwa
You Jews shouldn’t decide what non Jews want.
LOL, are you for real, coming on a predominantly Muslim site and slagging off ‘Jews’. Hilarious.
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Anthony
Go back to Israel or Yemen Jew. Australia just did fine for centuries without Indians. Indians in Australia are invaders!
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null
Is this guy Anthony for real ?
Most of these Indians have gone thier to study .
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johnpi
Relations between India and Australia have hit a new low after the murder of a young Indian man named Nitin Garg on his way to work in Melbourne last weekend. The murder caps a long series of violent attacks targeting Indians in Australia.
Police are reluctant to draw a racial link to the murder, even though Mr Garg was not robbed and his belongings were left scattered the park where he was murdered.
A representative of the Federation of Indian Students said there are ‘on average 5 attacks a day’ on Indians in Melbourne. The Indian Foreign Minister says it will “be forced to take action” if there are more attacks.
Attackers have been reported as being white, Asian, South Asian, Middle Eastern, aboriginal and Pacific islander. One assault was even captured on subway video. Police have speculated that Indian students often work late at night, live in low-income areas, and are perceived to be “easy” targets of violence.
Police have no witnesses and no suspects in the Garg murder.
There were so many attacks on Indians in 2009 that the topic has its own Wikipedia page.
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thabet
Mosque in the West Midlands burnt to the ground:
A fire engulfed the Cradley Heath Mosque and Islamic Centre in Plant Street on Boxing Day destroying the building and the religious countless books inside.
It is the second time in five years that the building has been targeted by arsonists and police are hunting the culprits.
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Abu Salah'Uddeen
Al Aathir Foundation – Official Press Release (http://aathir.wordpress.com/news/)
30th December 2009
Al Aathir Foundation condemns in the strongest sense possible the act of violence and destruction, of Cradley Heath Mosque and Islamic Centre near Dudley in the West Midlands by arsonists during Boxing Day evening.
This incident is a prime example of the current climate of Islamophobia in which Muslims in UK are and will have to contend with. Tragic as this event is, Muslims and the administration of Islamic Institutions need to revise and ramp up their security and disaster recovery contingencies.
Needless to say, the image of a Mosque or Islamic Center as it is portrayed is not a simple building in which people come and do their ritualistic prayers and supplications and leave. On the contrary they in many respects are much more sophisticated and complex organisations.
The vast majority of Mosques and Islamic Centers cater for a wide ranges of services for the Muslims and in some respects the non-Muslims community. These range from meeting points, accommodation for the groups of Muslims in travel (Tabligh), traditional Islamic schooling, Islamic libraries, funeral services, and annual (or more frequent) gathering point for religious and social events. These are also conduits for international events, conferences and seminars. Considering these services, there are significant assets that facilitate these services, including the literary publications that are vital tools for traditional schooling.
To hone in on the seriousness of this incident, the arson attack could have easily become a Murder Inquiry, as many Muslims spend considerable time including overnight stay for supplication throughout the year and especially during celebrated Islamic historical events.
This incident should be a reminder to all that the protection and security of our Muslim Community and Islamic Institutes should be absolutely vital and taken very seriously.
Muslims in the community and farther a field should remain steadfast in their resolve and not to retaliate in any violent manner that could lead to further acts of criminality or public disorder, but rather to look for redress and realise what is at stake.
Director
Abu Salah’Uddeen
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Anthony
Smells like one of them fake “hate crimes” to me. Just like that “imam” who was kidnapped by racist. Or it could have been sectarian violence, like they do in Pakistan.
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buzz
Serial Killer - Christian
Did anyone ask what role religion played in this man’s murder spree? Dennis Rader bound, tortured and killed his victims while pleasuring himself sexually.
He worked closely with police forces, wore a badge, cited citizens for compliance issues with pets, etc., he was a scout master with the boy scouts and was president of his Church congregation where he attended weekly. He was actually captured on evidence found on his church’s computer.
Did anyone ask how his Christian beliefs played into his crimes?
None that I can remember. Muslims owe the same explanation with Hassan. None.
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razib, murtad fitri
your argument would be more persuasive if the dude didn’t reportedly shout “god is great” in arabic as he was killing (might already have been falsified, don’t know). clearly most muslims aren’t crazy psychos like this guy. the argument would be that some form of islam channeled his psychosis and allowed him to justify it.
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Buzz
You don’t go to church weekly to ignore it. I don’t think it matters whether Allahu Akbar! is yelled or whether demon dogs tell you to do it. If you practice a religion, than it should affect your decision, right?
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razib, murtad fitri
If you practice a religion, than it should affect your decision, right?
you’re leaving a lot of variables free. what religion? what religion?
let’s use what i think might be an OK analog. scott roeder, who killed george tiller, was known to peruse extremist anti-abortion literature which was partly rooted in extreme forms of christianity. most traditionalist catholics and fundamentalist reformed calvinists would not murder abortion doctors because they’re not psychotic. but when you combine a psychotic with a specific political-religious program it channels their psychosis, right?
muslims have a lot to be angry about in regards to the american gov. & the american military. i implied that earlier when i noted the “foreign entanglements” issue of any group. a lot of political, social and religiously justified violence isn’t due to psychosis, it’s a rational response to asymmetries of power, etc. but, when people who aren’t mentally right seem particular models to behave out there then it seems plausible that they’d follow those models and justify their own behavior in that way.
as for the specific case of nidal hassan, the guy seems to have been a weirdo in so many ways. it is probably right that islam as such has no great predictive power as to this sort of behavior. if he was a calvinist christian of conservative inclinations he’d probably do what roeder did and target abortion doctors or something like that. if he was raised in a more left-wing milieu, he might have behaved like the red army brigage or the symbionese liberation army.
as for what muslims have to answer for, i think that’s a complicated issue. one can’t control or account for mental illness among notional co-religionists. or, co-politicalists, or co-nationalists. but i do believe that adherence to a group identity means that you can’t necessary always wash your hands clean of the actions of those who claim your identity. i believe this as an american, whose gov. has done a lot of nasty. and i believe that conservative christians and left-wing marxists who have laid the ideological framework for the nuts who utilize their arguments also have to account for the damage done in their name.
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razib, murtad fitri
what religion? what religion?
#2 is “what decision.”
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Buzz
We don’t know why Roeder, Rader or Hassan practiced religion. Some are completely devoted or obssessed. Others go for community, or a sense of belonging or closeness, lost familial or national ties, and so many other reasons.
Allahu Akbar! means lots of stuff to lots of people. I can suggest to you that rarely does a real religious scholar and devotee yell this except quietly at their prayers.
When someone yells Allahu Akbar, it means they may very well be from a middle eastern culture. Period.
“Allah” is so wound up in these cultures that dozens of common expressions are attached to Allah. Maash Allah. Allah Hafiz. Ya Allah. And so on.
Even atheists will use some of these expressions, they are so common.
You have to be a mind reader or a confidante of Hassan to know what he did and why. Maybe he will say, if they keep him alive.
One thing is clear. Islam is free of it. No question. The question is why is it a question. No one question religion with Rader.
People should really ask themselves if they think clearly and objectively.
Even atheists in the middle east will use some o
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razib, murtad fitri
One thing is clear. Islam is free of it. No question. The question is why is it a question. No one question religion with Rader.
well, that’s not really true. left-wing blogs did question the association with religion because a lot of anti-abortion activists justify their behavior based on religion.
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razib, murtad fitri
and let me make something clear: i do believe religion has political implications.* see st. patrick’s battalion, irish catholics who switched from the american to the mexican side. if the united states ever decided to go to war on israel then the jewish soldiers would be in a really difficult situation. i suspect that those who aren’t too religious would pick their american identity/loyalty, and those who are more religious wouldn’t. i’ve talked to religious jews (not orthodox, but conservative) who freely admit that they would pick israel over the united states.
- ethnicity, language, even class. during the american revolutionary war whigs, dissenters and the middle and lower classes were extremely averse to the violent suppression of colonial demands, while tories, anglicans and the upper classes stood with george iii.
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Buzz
It depends whether you mean political religion or religion religion. Obviously, crusades and myriad wars have been fought in the name of “god.”
These are the politicians who use religion to amass the ranks and concentrate their hate and resolution.
As an atheists, I understand you might not see beyond that. To you, maybe religion is all idols. But I believe there is a real God and a religious reality and a righteous path beyond the relative.
That is a different thread.
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razib, murtad fitri
buzz, right. let’s just say that the issue here is tribalism. i think this is in a different category than najibullah zazi even though this is realized.
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shams
Muslims have nothing to answer for until Big White Christian Bwana acknowledges the root causes of muslim anger. That is whole problem with WECs……they came to MENA, starting with the British Raj, and raped, stole. killed. destroyed cultures and societies, but they never have to say sorry….or say they were WRONG, because they were doin it for the good of the poor primitive savages, because they love the little black/brown/yellow people soooooooooo much.
Meddling Big White Christian Bwana turned MENA into a reaver factory and now they are pissing and moaning about “why do they hate us?”
Try; the Raj, colonialism, missionariism, Operation Ajax, the Tyrant Shah, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, the heartless post-WWII partition of MENA states into forever warring tribal sects……
Until the WECs accept responsibility for their actions the reaver factory will never run out of parts.
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null, 
cbarwa, 
Anthony, and 2 others are discussing. 
shams, 
Buzz are discussing. 
Wow. That is seriously messed up.