France has banned a domestic “Islamist” group. There is no such thing as true free speech outside the United States.
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shams, 
razib, murtad fitri 3:16 am on January 24, 2012 Permalink |
this seems close to right
i was my intuition too…spent 15 minutes trying to disprove it, and couldn’t. though even in the USA there are issues with obscenity and the law against threatening to kill the president.
aziz 7:45 am on January 24, 2012 Permalink |
its been a thesis of mine for a long time, actually. I am certain I’ve expounded in more detail on this at CoB but they broke all my tags when they oved from MT to WP so I can’t find stuff as easily anymore
actually i may have linked it from here – i need to go through http://talkislam.info/tag/free-speech/ and see…
aziz 7:49 am on January 24, 2012 Permalink |
ah, we had a good debate about it earlier – just filter everything by “Corned Beef N’ Cabbage” out:
http://talkislam.info/2011/05/22/actually-heres-an-example-of-draw-muhammad-day/#comment-43113
shams 9:09 am on January 24, 2012 Permalink |
there is no unfettered free speech in the USA either.
there is hate crime legislation and “hate speech”.
you and razib are so full of it your eyeballs are floating.
shams 5:42 am on January 28, 2012 Permalink |
chu kno, my habbibi?
razib, murtaad fitri is just an assclown. i saw that years ago when the Divine Beloved lifted the scales of my hero worship of him from my eyes.
he is an organic conservative. he has insufficient grey matter in the ACC for empathy.
shams 4:48 am on January 24, 2012 Permalink |
what is an “islamist”, Aziz?
definition?
shams 5:09 am on January 24, 2012 Permalink |
“There is no such thing as true free speech outside the United States.”
wallah … there is certainly no free speech in countries with shariah law as the rule of law.
As long as defense-against-proselytization is in mutawatir the Generous Quran outlaws free speech.
Did you know the constitution of KSA IS the Noble Quran?
Are we gunna try Regime Change there?
shams 9:58 am on January 24, 2012 Permalink |
do you think we could just go back, my habbibi?
back to when you were improving my polishing the mirror epiphany with your zen?
i guess that isnt possible.
time travel to the past is impossible because of closed form timecurves.
ibn arabi and dr. carroll agree.
aziz 6:48 am on January 30, 2012 Permalink |
its entirely up to you. Misrepresenting me and attacking me is not the way forward though.
shams 1:43 pm on January 30, 2012 Permalink |
i do not misrepresent you.
you think tolerance, religious freedom, and free speech are superior. those are western values.
not islamic values.
aziz 2:04 pm on January 30, 2012 Permalink |
again, you channel spencer. who tf are you to decide that these are not islamic values? in 1400 years of jurisprudence there has been plenty of debate on all of these. western my ass
mutazili, fatemi, abbasid, sufi, avicenna and much more. you are like a blind man in a library insisting that knowledge is dead
open your fing eyes
shams 9:01 am on January 31, 2012 Permalink
im not channelling spencer. he is like a talking dog on al-Islam.
al-Islam is a process…
you dare cite the Mutaz’li? do you even know the First Obligation?
ive said before if razib and i had lived seven centuries ago, he would have been Ibn Rushd and i would have been Ibn Arabi.
Matt 10:55 pm on January 27, 2012 Permalink |
Hate speech terrorizes people and keeps them quiet. So there is no free speech if there is hate speech. Rather, you can balance interests. Of course, interests in the US and France are different. That whole Vichy thing, you know.