There is so much discussion in the media about violent Islamic extremism, that it obscures the other traditions and history of the faith. I was reminded of this recently while reading Ahmed Rashid’s ‘Taliban’ where he writes about the history of the city of Herat in Afghanistan before the Taliban took over.
Herat, the heart of medieval Islam in the entire region, was a city of mosques and madrassas, but had an ancient liberal Islamic tradition. It was the home of Islamic arts and crafts, miniature painting, music, dance, carpet-making, and numerous stories about its redoubtable and beautiful women.
Heratis still recount the story of Queen Gowhar Shad, the daughter-in-law of the conquerer Taimur who moved the Timurid capital from Samarkand to Herat in 1405 after Taimur’s death. One day in the company of 200 ‘ruby-lipped’, beautiful, ladies-in-waiting, the Queen inspected a mosque and madrassa complex she was building on the outskirts of Herat.
The madrassa students (or taliban) had been asked to vacate the premises while the Queen and her entourage visited, but one student had fallen asleep in his room. He was awoken by an exquisitely attractive lady-in-waiting. When She rejoined the Queen, the lady was panting and dishevelled by the exertions of passionate love-making and thus she was discovered.
Instead of punishing her or the student, the Queen ordered all her ladies-in-waiting to marry the students in a mass ceremony so as to bless them and ensure they avoided temptation in the future. She gave each student clothes and a salary and ordered that husband and wife should meet once a week as long as the students studied hard.
Says Rashid: “It was the kind of story that epitomized the liberal, human tradition of Islam and madrassa education in Herat.” Rashid tells the story on the way to explaining why the women of Herat were the first to rebel against the Taliban after they imposed their version of Shariah.
On 17 October, 1996, more than 100 women protested outside the office of the Governor against the closure of the city’s bathhouses. The women were beaten and then arrested by the Taliban religious police, who went from house to house warning men to keep their women indoors.

abunoor 4:49 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
I am not sure exactly what to make of that story John, but which part exactly is “liberal” ?
Monarchy? Mass arranged marriage? Maybe its the royal welfare payments.
I mean there is the fornication in the madrasa part, but I don’t think that’s being celebrated, is it?
I’m not trying to give you a hard time because at the end of the day I probably basically agree with the point you are making here but I think you and Ahmed Rashid have to work a little bit harder in untangling and presenting these types of arguments so they don’t fall apart upon a little bit of thought.
Or maybe I’m just not getting it? Or I need to lighten up?
That’s always possible.
johnpi 4:56 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
Fair comment. The story is tangled with illiberal modalities.
I suspect the contrast that Rashid was getting at was the response to the zina, which was merciful and compassionate whereas the Taliban would have at least flogged – if not executed – one or both of the young lovers.
johnpi 5:00 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
I see I’ve conflated “liberal” with “merciful and compassionate.” It is correct to say that my perspective sees them as closely related, though i acknowledge that from a more conservative perspective, the punishments are ‘merciful and compassionate.’
abunoor 5:29 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
You’ve hit on the point I was questioning.
By the way, you’ve also hit on why I don’t identify with the word “conservative.” To me, the response was beautiful but as long as one does not celebrate the zina that occurred or laugh at it like it was no big deal, the solution was about as Islamically orthodox as one could imagine. (I sometimes read liberal as in opposition to orthodoxy, but I’m not sure it has to be). The solution to the problem of sexual temptation was marriage, religious education was encouraged, etc. And there is nothing more Islamically orthodox (adhering to the Qur’an and the example of the Prophet (saw) than being merciful and compassionate.
All of which goes to show why I said that I basically agree with the point you are making here.
At some point in our long collective journey to take the reins of control of the ummah and refashion it in our image we probably have to investigate what really lies behind the way each of us choose to use terminology but we should be careful of letting it distract us from our agreements as well as from our disagreements.
johnpi 5:44 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
the solution was about as Islamically orthodox as one could imagine. (I sometimes read liberal as in opposition to orthodoxy, but I’m not sure it has to be).
You’ve drawn out an excellent point here.
aziz 6:08 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
sometimes, Abu Noor, you leave me in awe. jazakallah for this insight.