Is anyone aware of any statement by any organized Muslim group in America about the proposed surge in Afghanistan which Obama will address tomorrow night taking a position either for or against the surge?
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aziz 1:13 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
i dont think so. im not sure it will be accurate to call it a “surge” either – it looks like a permanent troop level increase subject to the president’s review.
I am in favor of this IF it is accompanied by a war surtax. i intend to write something about it tomorrow.
shams 1:17 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
and a draft.
aziz 1:18 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
too regressive.
shams 1:21 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
its the only way to stop the neo-con revanchists from farming the underclass for cannon fodder.
as I see it.
aziz 1:24 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
and is that how it worked in Vietnam? The elites were well-represented?
why would a draft today be any different?
shams 1:27 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
Because it would my cohort to oppose it.
And that is what happened in Viet Nam.
shams 1:27 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
would RALLY my cohort.
abunoor 1:31 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
Well, Aziz, there was at least an organized antiwar movement with regard to Vietnam.
I am not sure what you are going after Aziz, but I think a war tax would be the best way to create an antiwar movement today. Still, I can’t say I favor either a draft or a war tax, ’cause I oppose the war completely.
In any event there’s no chance of either happening, so the discussion is completely philosophical.
shams 1:32 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
it is my understanding that the other main cause (besides youth) of the end of “democracy promotion” in Viet Nam was television.
Seeing wounded and dead young soldiers on the terebi.
The Bush adminstration has been largely successful in keeping that footage off america’s screens.
If O wants to end the Misadventure in the Graveyard of Empires, embed some videographers with the troops and deluge the American electorate with war gorror.
abunoor 1:40 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
shams,
Obama’s been President for over a year. If someone’s keeping the war off the screens, its not the Bush administration but the guy that according to all reports, is planning to increase the troops in Afghanistan to three times the level they were at under Bush.
shams 3:22 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
yuppers, Abu.
But a ginormous part of the 11-dimensional chess game is hanging on to power long enough to do something to ameliorate the devastation of WEC theology implemented as foreign policy.
Did you miss how O deliberating for a decent amount of time was demogouged to the christianist cretins that make up the GOP base?
Obama is killing our troops!
Obama is a terrorist symapthizer!
Obama is un-Merican!
Obama is DITHERING!
He has to deal with the horrorshow pre-existing conditions that Bush gifted us with as well as make gamespace moves.
Neither you or I are qualled to second guess him.
shams 3:26 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
ummm….not until January, Abu, not until January.
indifferent 7:36 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
I don’t favor a troop surge at all. muslims should be welcome to suffer in their own misery. I’m SICK of trying bring the 21st century rule of law and common civility to 2nd century neanderthals who hide their women in tarps and worship a black rock.
Let them rot.
shams 8:41 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
And we are sick of you christianist cretins trying to terraform our culture with your Big White Bwana Meddling.
Go slink home like beaten currs from the Graveyard of Empires after dar ul Islam kicks your fat white asses.
honky/nigger 7:35 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
shams , kicks your fat white asses? Im white and muslim , dont be what the non muslims call u , nigger(ignorant)
shams 10:58 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
pardon, I should have said ……fat white CHRISTIAN asses.
The US is a christian nation, dooontcha know?
and….ima white grrl.
thabet 1:42 am on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
7th-century, you ignorant moron.
shams 8:23 am on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
And you know what else, Brother Thabet?
dar ul Islam already kicked ‘Merica’s ass in Iraq.
5000 dead American soljahs, a trillion dollars of debt, and Iraq is an islamic state with shariah in their constitution and STILL unable to hold the elections that the “surge” was supposed to enable.
I think we can officially call the “surge” an EPIC FAIL along with the “Bush Doctrine.”
lol
shams 8:47 am on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
In a way….dar ul Islam is executing a reverse USSR on the US….the US is being forced to spend its way into obsolesence in an “arms race” it can’t win….because US warfighting techniques create more Reavers than it eliminates……simply can’t win hearts and minds when the hearts and minds of extended kin-groups are being splattered all over the landscape.
this ironing is delicious.
lol.
johnpi 2:58 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
It would be interesting to survey American minority communities that have been consanguineous with American opponents in war by blood, ethnicity or religion for how those groups responded to US policy, and what the larger society’s response was to them.
From memory, I know that there was an active German antiwar movement during WWI, and that there was also a great deal of violence and even some lynchings of German Americans.
The situation with the Japanese internment camps during WWII is well known, but I don’t know what was the perspective or perspectives within that community on the war.
During Vietnam, antiwar Buddhist monks were well-received here by that segment of society that opposed the war, but persecuted by the communists ‘over there’ for their pacifism, which inhibited recruiting. Thich Naht Hanh, a prominent Vietnamese monk, was nominated by Martin Luther King for the Nobel Peace Prize a few months before King was assassinated.
Is there a prominent Muslim around today doing peacework who could walk in the footsteps of Hanh and be nominated for the Nobel?