Bad political optics/how to get a label: Palin keeps quitting.
Sarah Palin, who resigned from her position as Alaska’s governor earlier this year, quit a 5K Turkey Trot charity race in Washington state on Thanksgiving day before reaching the end, citing crowds as the reason.
Palin also said she wasn’t going to be making a turkey dinner for Thanksgiving because it was “too much work.”
The former governor is favored by many Republicans to be that party’s candidate for president in 2012.
Of note: Obviously from the above, I’m politically opposed to Sarah Palin, but an honest appraisal should also be presented here. A look through the Talk Islam archives shows that unlike many other Republican politicians, Palin has never made hate-mongering, Islamophobic comments about Muslims (a low benchmark no doubt), and was actually lauded by Aziz in Spetember for “making sense on Islam” when she rejected the ‘clash of civilizations’ meme and opined on a war within Islam:
This is a war within Islam, where a small minority of violent killers seeks to impose their view on the vast majority of Muslims who want the same things all of us want: economic opportunity, education, and the chance to build a better life for themselves and their families. The reality is that al Qaeda and its affiliates have killed scores of innocent Muslim men, women and children.
shams 12:28 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
May I helpfully suggest that white evangelical christian Palin regards muslims exactly the same way she regards jews?
Fungible…….look it up.
Useful pawns to be manipulated in a millenialist scheme to fulfill the biblical prophecy of the Rapture, and eventually be Converted to the True Faith.
Jesus-take-the-wheel.
If you think GW’s Gog/Magog war on al-Islam was bad, just elect Palin and scope out the thermonuclear apocalypse she’d like to engineer in MENA.
shams 12:34 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
And shez all they got.
Huck just imploded and Petraeus rebuffed their overtures brutally and repeatedly.
No one knows who Pawlenty is and a large segment of WEC America would vote a satan ticket before they would elect a mormon.
shams 4:42 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink |
Check this out Johnpi and Aziz, and then tell me Palin is “making sense on Islam”.
She’s working for the Rapture.
aziz 9:10 am on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
what does any of that have to do with Islam?
shams 12:27 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
Aziz…..she has no respect for Islam….she regards both muslims and jews as sort of subhumans who only real purpose is to be farmed for converts…she believes that both jews and muslims are fungible pawns in the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
She believes that the second regathering is the precondition for the apocalypse that brings on teh Rapture.
Go ahead, bare your throat for the blade.
Granada was right.
aziz 2:22 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
lol. she can believe what she likes, but there wont actually be a Rapture, so theres no blade. Just her very large foot in her very large mouth.
her comments are standardd boiilerplate Left Behind stuff and dont have anything to do with Islam. In fact her views on Islam are irrelevant to her policy. She hasnt yet said anything speccifically islamophbic and actually has said stuff that while not particularly insightful, do put her at odds with theGOP war on Muslims dogma (but she is forgiven by them).
aziz 2:23 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
that said, her position on the IP conflict is informed by her Rapture beliefs, and thats inane. But its anti-Palestinian, not anti-muslim. If the palestinians were all Budddhists it wouldnt matter to her view.
abunoor 3:39 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
That’s one thing that I’ve wondered about from time to time…How come Palestinians haven’t been able to take more advantage of their Christian population and let people view the conflict not just through the lens of arab vs. jewish or muslim vs. jewish but also jewish or Israeli persecution of Christians.
I do see the attempt to use Palestinian Christian religious spokesmen from time to time to speak about their opposition to the occupation but it just gets no traction among right wing Christians here in US.
I hate to say it, but it does tend to be an argument in favor of Shams’ wec thing.
aziz 12:13 pm on December 4, 2009 Permalink
I hate to play the card but I think race is an issue. Arab Christians are Arab, and to be a Christian alestinian is to be just a Palestinian. They are only useful as tokens to be trotted out to show how mean Islam is to other faiths and then shut away in teh cupboard again.
The Eastern Orthodox Church is however far more principled in its advcacy on behalf of Arab Christians than the Protestants or the Catholics are. This does mean, of course, that they arent in lockstep with the pro-israel message. And that i think pretty much sums it up. Fealty to zionism is more important than loyaltyt to fellow religiosists.
Buzz 2:27 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink |
Politicians don’t believe anything.
They say whaever they are told to say by there handlers and funders.
It is easier to digest her statements when you look at it that way.
shams 3:07 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
She’s a WEC before she is a politician.
She does believe that.
Just like Bush believed in Gog and Magog.
You still don’t get it…..her position is anti-EVERYTHING but WEC.
Anything else is a false faith of delusional subhumans that must be brought to Jesus.
You seriously think some one that believes in teh Rapture and letting jesus-take-the-wheel is a good idea?
Jesus is a fuckin’ bad driver. He already drove us into the ditch on the economy and Iraq.
You want to give WEC a chance in the name of religious tolerance…..well, a Religion of Crazy doesn’t get equal time.
Buzz 3:13 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
What I get is that you are WEC obsessed and you have fallen prey to your own meme like a virus that takes over a person’s entire brain and begins warping their behavior (as has been mentioned several times here by several peeps)
Buzz 3:15 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
You need a WEC detox and colon cleanse. Check in with Dr. Drew and see if he can deWEC you.
Buzz 3:31 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
Palin serves her base. Beck and Limberger listeners (cret’nz)
abunoor 3:41 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
Shams,
How do you know that Palin is wec before she is Christian? Certainly there are many politicians who choose to represent that viewpoint but most of them are essentially politicians.
abunoor 3:46 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
Buzz,
I know your point that politicians don’t believe anything may seem pedestrian and common knowledge to most but I think it’s something that just can’t be repeated enough. I think for people like myself who simply don’t think that way, if I don’t constantly remind myself I always end up confused. So I fall into asking myself okay what is this or that person really believe in and what are they saying just to get elected to do the things they “really” want to do.
I’ve decided it makes much more sense if I stop trying to think that they “really” believe anything. They have chosen to fulfill a certain function in society. If they were idealogues or true believers of any kind they would not be in politics.
Which is why I could never be in politics. I can’t even bring myself to so much as vote because that mindset is so contrary to what I think being a human should be all about.
Allaah knows best.
Buzz 3:46 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
On the other hand, she did attend a pentalcostal kookshow in Wasilla a few years back. She was relieved of a bewitching which is something that all of us have to deal with now and then (if we are backwater turnips)
Buzz 3:55 pm on December 1, 2009 Permalink
Abu Noor
Yeah, I am ashamed to say that one of my relatives was a senior yahoo at Lockheed Martin and sold the gov’t alot of boom boom.
One thing he repeatedly told me over his long career is that Washington people will do anything and say anything to remain in power. That was their only rule.
It used to be kind of on the DL, but with Lieberman and his ilk coming out clearly, it is not even an open secret anymore.
It is obvious.
I agree with your line of reasoning. It is the clear conclusion.
shams 4:44 am on December 2, 2009 Permalink
One question Buzz…..in the light of Bush’s comments to Chirac on Gog and Magog, and the fact that we know now that Cheney and Rumsfeld capped warbriefings with bible quotes in their presentation, do think Bush’s evangelical christian beliefs affected Gulf II and the occupation of Iraq?
Do you think Bush’s evangelical christianity and biblical literalism influenced the “Bush Doctrine”?
White protestants founded this country and ran it until recently.
Are you saying that Bush’s religious beliefs didn’t shape his administration’s policies?
Sarah Palin said in her “book”…..
The reason Palin’s religion is important, is that if her primitive anthropomorphic micro-managing “god” told her to bomb Iran, I fully believe she would do it.
She talks to her god…..Palin’s god told her to run for VP and to quit the governership, among other things.
You don’t believe her Buzz?
You think she is just posturing for political gain?
shams 8:06 am on December 2, 2009 Permalink
At what point does religious freedom end and someone elses nose begin?
Does Palin get a pass on having to detail just how her particular brand of Crazy would impact MENA policy if elected, because her particular brand of Crazy is A Religion?
shams 8:13 am on December 2, 2009 Permalink
The Jews have more sense than Aziz and Johnpi on this….they run from Palin and the GOP like scalded cats.
Buzz 11:52 am on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Politicians rarely get to their exalted positions of power by being absolute and uncompromisingly principled. People like that (uncompromising) are usually beaten down or killed in public life. There is an unspoken rule against that kind of purpose. And the penalties for breaking the rule are severe. You can think of many examples. “Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely?” People like the Holy Prophets come along once every thousand years. They talk to God (or God speaks to them) and they lead by God’s Will.
Listen to this part, Shams, closely:
People usually cannot hide their closeness to God well since it takes up much of their time and thought.. If it doesn’t, they are probably not that close.
The people in power who sara relies upon to support and financially back her would not place their trust in a religious zealot who can fly off the handle and be unpredictable. There is too much invested and too much expected in return.
A rising politician has to be all things to alot of different people with different needs. It is a vocation quintessentially defined by the ability to compromise and look sincere doing it.
Do you really think any god would accept that many partners.
Sara fooled you shams. You believe the carefully polled and constructed illusion. Maybe you should vote for her too.
shams 1:29 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
But they did.
She utterly confabulated them when she quit the gonvernorship.
You dont get it brother buzz.
The GOP knew exactly what she was…..they just thought they could control her.
They know she is a religious zealot. They think they can control her.
They knew she was wholly unfit for office…the vetting only failed on her malleability.
Buzz 1:35 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Nope. All Sara did was exchange a smaller job for the National Stage. And the GOP, I am sure, since they are booking her engagements, spearheaded the decision.
Sara isn’t Going Rogue. She’s Selling Out and she will sell herself to whatever the conservative base wants her to be.
Don’t be so gullible.
shams 1:37 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
They were going to pygmalion her.
But she wouldn’t play galatea…..
Buzz 1:39 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
But it does seem to suit her persona to appear “Mavericky.”
Would she appear on SNL making a mockery of her if she was serious about her religion?
Politician. Pure and simple.
shams 1:40 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Buzz, shez all they got.
Petraeus turned them down pointedly and repeatedly, Huck just went Willie Horton, and Pawlenty is invisible.
also, too, a largish segment of the WEC base would vote a satan ticket before electing a mormon.
She has the nom.
shams 1:44 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
look at the body language on her resignation video.
resentful, angry, incoherent.
the week before Krauthammer and jonah Goldberg told her publically to go back to Alaska and read some books. I think the GOP leadership told her the same thing behind the scenes.
Her resignation speech was a Big F.U. to all the old white guys tellin her what to do.
shams 1:48 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
So basically, brother buzz, you are saying it doesn’t matter if Sarah says she believes in using the jews as staked goats to bring on teh Rapture, because ……she doesn’t really believe that?
That is a gamble i’m unwilling to take, tyvm.
Buzz 1:50 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Look. I really don’t care that much about the reality of Sara Palin. She is a telling sign of a desperate GOP, but conservatives don’t bankroll religious whackjobs who hear voices. SINCE THE BEGINNING O’ TIME! On occassion, in a desperate pinch, they bankroll religious charlatans.
Believe whatever you want. It really doesn’t matter. My original point and all I care about is that you can tell more about what politicians are saying by who they collude with, who funds them and who their audience is than by believing they are the physical embodiment of their (all too temporary) convictions.
shams 1:53 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Stop duckin’ buzzkill.
answer the question.
Buzz 1:56 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Don’t care / don’t get cornered into questions.
Even easy ones like yours.
shams 1:59 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Answer this one, slick boi.
Did GW’s evangelical christian convictions infuence his actions in office?
Buzz 2:06 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Same issue. You think Bush really was KIng George and made all his decisions on a throne of his own religious beliefs.
How quaintly naive.
Would it surprise you to know that Big Foot had a roll in all war decisions? It would explain alot to me.
Buzz 2:11 pm on December 2, 2009 Permalink
Sorry, missed the Bigfoot link
FaithinGod 4:22 am on December 30, 2009 Permalink |
Why would a believer refer to Isa (pbuh) in such a disrespectful manner?
Brothers and sisters, please do not be so seduced by the secular left of this country that you would insult and discredit a person of the book who has not afflicted believers or the deen in anyway.
shams 1:40 pm on December 30, 2009 Permalink |
lol, i mean no disrespect to the real Issa.
He is a favorite of my Shayyk the Muhayyidin.
I mock the false WEC stereotypes of the prosperity gospel and Bush’s Gog/Magog invasion and occupation of Iraq.
The real Issa would have spit on the “christians” in this country and driven them out of his temple.