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when it comes to terror, Sheila Musaji says we should indeed condemn. And so should everyone else.
meanwhile, Ali Eteraz has come up with a suitable salute of sorts to those who insist on collective responsibility for terror.
Both Ali and Sheila’s pieces are complementary in fact, though you need to read them to see why!
AA 12:23 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
The issue is not condemning or lack of it (collectively or individually), the issue is how pro-active we (the society/Ummah as well) are in proactively preventing such events.
manas 1:12 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
We need to help US get out of Iraq and Afghanistan. That should prevent such things, iA.
Buzz 2:15 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
How about facing the actual problem. The US hasa its own problems. Transferring them to cover over the degradation of the Muslim ummah is not dealing. It is denial. Not much of a solution.
manas 4:40 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
Poverty, lack of job and education are our real problems (that we can work to solve.) Sure. We should and we must try.
manas 4:42 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
I do not think fundamentalism is in itself a problem. They are exacerbated by the things that I describe above.
USA has it’s own share of problems. The difference is, they figured that it’s better for them to spend their time in their jobs to earn some. Our fundamentalists don’t have that choice.
shams 10:01 am on November 29, 2009 Permalink |
fundamentalism is NOT a problem…..evangelism is the problem…the idea that evangelists have the right and duty to push their ideology on others…..through proselytizing, missionariism, or force of arms aka the Grand Misadventure of the Manifest Destiny of Judeo-xian Democracy.
shams 10:25 am on November 29, 2009 Permalink
the Amish are fundamentalists…..Quakers were fundamentalists…fundamentalism IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!
Buzz 12:37 pm on November 29, 2009 Permalink
Shams, take 5 on your WEC-Bashing. We were not even talking about the USA or the religious right so you can spare your self-loathing American schpiel. The reference is to the Muslim Community.
If Islam is a superior and just way of life, than all Muslim countries should be just and moral beacons of religious light. Since we know that is not the case, clearly, either something is wrong with Islam or with the people.
My opinion is Islam is God’s will and absolute so there has to something wrong with the people.
Manas offered a plausible diagnosis. The same greed that is tearing the United States apart already wreaked havok on these countries. Greed has mostly left a 2 tier society with a few selfish elites and the majority in crushing poverty.
Something for the US to look forward to.
shams 4:40 pm on November 30, 2009 Permalink
But what is the PROXIMATE CAUSE of a lot of poverty in MENA?
Colonialism, missionariism, imperialism, the arbitrary partition of MENA nation states to create societies forever at war with themselves.
manas 4:43 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
As to Fort Hood, there the problem was clearly the invasion and subsequent PTSD.
Mr Moo 7:17 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
Riazat Butt thinks we shouldn’t condemn: She said this back in 2007.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jul/04/muslimbutnotguilty
manas 9:01 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
Fort Hood shooting is a very different thing than events in, say, Iraq or Palestine. Those are response to occupation (that does not make them good, but they are a response to occupation.)
Fort Hood is not a phenomena. It’s an isolated event. The cause is not most likely trauma.
manas 9:01 pm on November 26, 2009 Permalink |
*The cause is most likely trauma.
shams 3:26 am on November 27, 2009 Permalink |
Dr. Major Hasan was a singleton event.
And finally we are seeing push back against the idea we all have to flagellate ourselves everytime Islam is mentioned.
Do you think there will ever be an apology for the hundreds of thousands of muslim civilian deaths resulting from white evangelical christian doctrine masquerading as “democracy promotion” in Bush’s Gog/Magog war?
aziz 6:50 am on November 27, 2009 Permalink |
as a matter of fact…