Dawkins et al bring us into disrepute. There’s a schism alright, and I seem to find myself on the unfashionable side of it - Michael Ruse
The question: Is there an atheist schism?
As a professional philosopher my first question naturally is: “What or who is an atheist?” If you mean someone who absolutely and utterly does not believe there is any God or meaning then I doubt there are many in this group. Richard Dawkins denies being such a person. If you mean someone who agrees that logically there could be a god, but who doesn’t think that the logical possibility is terribly likely, or at least not something that should keep us awake at night, then I guess a lot of us are atheists. But there is certainly a split, a schism, in our ranks. I am not whining (in fact I am rather proud) when I point out that a rather loud group of my fellow atheists, generally today known as the “new atheists”, loathe and detest my thinking….
…unlike the new atheists, I take scholarship seriously. I have written that The God Delusion made me ashamed to be an atheist and I meant it. Trying to understand how God could need no cause, Christians claim that God exists necessarily. I have taken the effort to try to understand what that means. Dawkins and company are ignorant of such claims and positively contemptuous of those who even try to understand them, let alone believe them. Thus, like a first-year undergraduate, he can happily go around asking loudly, “What caused God?” as though he had made some momentous philosophical discovery.
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buzz

shams 12:49 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink |
pfft….the only god-concept that is threatened by the crude antics of the Dawkins Posse is the primitve mechanistic biological tweaker of western xianity.
That particular god is purely pwned by theory of evolution.
The white xian god is dead, and ToE was the stake in his anthropomorphic heart.
Any religion that incorporates universalism and mysticism as god-concept has no problem here: hindu prana, buddhist, muslim wahdat al-wujud.
wajid al-wujud ….the real exists in itself.
The primitive western skyfather didn’t evolve far enough in the minds of his followers….so every scientific discovery on the origins of life, the universe and everything, .. is another blade.
The death of the countably infinite cuts.
Buzz 1:06 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink |
Come on Shams.
Christianity can be enlightened (white or not).
And Islam suffers almost as many ijuts.
And there is nothing wrong with white people..
shams 1:13 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink |
riiiight.
Big White Christian Bwana has been fuckin’ up the world since the crusades.
And they dont even haveto say they are sorry, ’cause they were doing it out of love.
At least the Romans and the Monghols were honest rapists.
I’m bitterly ashamed of my skin.
Buzz 1:21 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink |
Meds
razib, murtad fitri 3:22 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink
Shams al-Nahar 4:33 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink
lets not have profanity here — Admin
Buzz 6:52 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink
Shams – I did not see your comment but I did not mean to be rude. I have alot of empathy for your message and I know it comes from the heart. I just think you are over the top against “evil whitey.”
But pardon me, I should not be so flippant.
Shams al-Nahar 7:03 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink
okfine…without profanity.
razib, i care not a whit that u are an apostate of islam.
i care that u are an apostate of Science.
you are a liar, a spinner and a partisan hack.
Buzz 1:24 pm on November 5, 2009 Permalink |
And after the meds, some contemplation might be in order. I got affection and respect for you Shamsy, but self-loathing is a terrible and useless place to be. It is not an effective strategy. It is actually immoral.
thabet 1:37 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink |
null 1:46 am on November 6, 2009 Permalink |
As a representative of brown people, I hereby absolve you of all your tingling White Guilt. Feel better Shams.