Comments on: Firebrand Ahmadinejad back on stage

By: Buzz

Buzz — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:30:34 +0000

I find it hard to believe that Coral Ridge or Pat Robertson receive funding directly from Israel. I would be very interested to see any link between Israel, or Jewish businesses and either of these ministries.

Bassman
You might be right. That was a presumption that religious leaders, like political leaders (Muslims included) are almost always on the take from someone..

It will be difficult to find information. Even with Non Profit religious tax information available. I will check and see what I can find to validate the claim. Or I may, indeed, be wrong.
Check back – I will post one way or the other.

By: null

null — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:05:56 +0000

I read that post yesterday Aziz. Well done.

By: aziz

aziz — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:54:19 +0000

It's important to note that there is indeed something that sets Holocaust victims apart from the rest of the dead in WWII.

By: aziz

aziz — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:52:43 +0000

And like Nixon, he is quite evil and will do anything to retain power.

I am no fan of Mahmoud but I don’t think he is evil, unless we are expanding the definition to include cynical, unprincipled narcissists. “Doing anything to retain power” is certainly a common trait of politicians worldwide.

By: Bassman1994

Bassman1994 — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:39:03 +0000

I stumbled across this site accidentally. I’m impressed. Most of these chat sites are filled with hatred and petty one-liners but the posts here are actually thoughtful and useful. It’s amazing.
I come from a Christian background so I thought it might be interesting to present my view.
I’ve always seen Ahmedinajad through the lens presented to me by the media. However, seeing him put Couric (for whom I have very little respect) on the spot was so refreshing, I had to look up the president’s claims about numbers of people who died in the war. Wikipedia has death tolls broken down by percentage per country. Russia was hit hardest.
Also, when asking why Christians and Christianish people feel the way they do about Israel, it’s good to look at the context. It’s true there are those of us who believe that one day all nations of the world will rise against Israel and that will mark the “second coming” (as Christians call it) of Jesus. Naturally, this is a huge event to look forward to and sympathy for Israel tends to be high.
Also remember that Christians regularly hear stories about Moses, David, Joseph, Daniel, Samuel, and a host of ancient prophets, kings and leaders from Israel’s history. This has created an afinity for all subjects Israeli among the conservative Christian groups.
Lump this together with the idea that people in the general population are perfectly content to accept whatever comes out of the TV set from cable or the six o’clock news (and I think we all agree this is laced with pro Israeli messages), and American sympathy toward Israel is huge.
I find it hard to believe that Coral Ridge or Pat Robertson receive funding directly from Israel. I would be very interested to see any link between Israel, or Jewish businesses and either of these ministries. Mr. Robertson and the Late Dr. Kennedy (both of whose work I’m relatively familiar with) don’t strike me as the type of men who would knowingly participate in that without it having already been widely exposed.

By: Buzz

Buzz — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:47:50 +0000

I think Hagee is one of a long list of religious charletans and mil / industrialists who have manipulated W. During Bush/Cheney, media people said we should not underestimate Bush’s intelligence. Personally, I don’t think it is possible to underestimate Bush’s intelligence. He is one of those special cases where they do the autopsy after the refrigerator falls on him or some bizarre and inexplicable accident occurs and they find that his head was full of fluid and he operated all those years with like a nub of a cortex and a shriveled brain stem.

By: shams

shams — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:24:40 +0000

I feel VERY confident that the last thing a televangelist like Pat Roberts or the douches over at Coral Ridge Ministry are concerned about is the end of days

Yeah? What about John Hagee?
Bush quoted Ezekiel on Gog and Magog to try to get Chirac to send troops into Iraq, and Cheney and Rumsfeld put bible quotes as cover slides for briefing packets.
This is not getting any press coverage….wonder why?

By: shams

shams — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:19:28 +0000

Nejad is actually quite brilliant, he has an engineering degree from Tehran uni that he never mentions. He is a stealth elite pretending to be an anti-intellectual populist like traditional republican leadership in this country. He is more Nixon than Palin, however.
He can at least run Couric.
And like Nixon, he is quite evil and will do anything to retain power.
It is fascinating that in America the clerical class is populist and anti-intellectual, and homogeneously conservative, while the Iranian clerical class is intellectual, elitist and and at least partly (i would say mostly now) liberal.
Nejad has nothing on Rafi though….my prediction?
The Green Wave will submerge Mister Potoatoes (Nejad) within a year.
Nejad desperately needs the Israeli/Palestine issue to stay inflammatory and remain deadlocked, but things are changing.
The original Islamic Revolution took a year.

By: Buzz

Buzz — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:45:03 +0000

Yes. And I think Obama is catching a lot of hell because of it. Savy American observers knew exactly why we went to Iraq, and it was not all about Israel, but Israel was a major component. That kind of influence and the fact that Iraq was a monumental debacle of mismanagement probably lost alot of tolerant Israel allies in congress. We all realized by about 2006 that we had been led down a very long terrible road. I think alot of people realize that even if they cannot say it out loud.

By: null

null — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:12:56 +0000

Again, I got nothing specific against Jews or Israel, as an American, like any Iraqi, I just don’t like being occupied by a foreign country.

Buzz dearest, do you think that the tide has shifted towards this opinion just a little teeny tiny bit over the last couple of years? That Israel is more of a liability than an ally in securing American interests?

Maybe I’ve just been running in the wrong circles – reading too much AmercianConservative and Michael Scheuer and overestimating their influence to come to the wrong conclusion.