A bunch of white men debate how best to save the eternally oppressed Muslim woman…
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Buzz Kill 1:35 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
When all is said and done, we must encourage the little brown fellow to allow his little brown wife to do more than cook, clean and make babies just as we have allowed our white ladies unprecedented freedom and they have indeed shown remarkable progress and now are, in some cases, every bit as successful as a man.
This is progress.
thabet 2:07 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
I don’t know if this is a serious comment.
Buzz Kill 2:20 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
Yeah, you know.
Buzz Kill 2:39 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
It is not fair to hint at a white stereotype without illustrating the full extent of the caricature. Comment #2 and #3 of this thread, I think, have very adequately displayed what was on your mind. Mission accomplished.
One patronization and one stereotype complete.
thabet 3:13 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
It was sarcastic… A dig (not a good one granted) at what you’re saying.
If you read the links Neil Robertson is opposed to the view put forward by Clive James and Nick Cohen.
thabet 3:22 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
Having said that the debate is pretty poor overall.
They spend lots of time arguing over the ‘legacy’ of Ayan Hirsi Ali, even though she says she isn’t Muslim. No numbers/statistics (e.g. improving/declining literacy rates, wealth/poverty) are offered, and no social or historical context is provided. We’re given a few links to some organisations, and a handful of names.
In fact, the debate isn’t really even about ’saving Muslim women’. It is about political infighting amongst centre-left and centre-right liberals, and an argument about ‘what feminism should mean’.
Buzz Kill 3:26 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink
It is patronizing, which is what annoys me. It is true that the place of women is one of the flaws of some Middle Eastern cultures. But, ultimately, women have to change that. Not male outsiders.
thabet 3:29 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink
I agree.
But then we’re just two men arguing about saving Muslim women too
(And I am violating my own code of conduct here. I promised myself I would never get involved in this debate. Not because I don’t care, but because the last thing this whole argument ever needs is another man shouting about what’s ‘best’ for a woman.)
Buzz Kill 3:39 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink
Disagree with you. (Again) What you are doing is reminding men to stay the hell out of it. The best we can do is wait.
thabet 3:42 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink
Stay out… wait… it’s a matter of perception.
thabet 3:45 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
Btw, for those interested there was something similar at Comment is free.
eliza 9:39 am on September 3, 2009 Permalink |
There is nothing quite so bad for a woman as a man who thinks he’s good. (From old US song). Or a man who thinks he’s God.