http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/ a crescent waxing eloquent Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:18:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8590 razib Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:42:29 +0000 http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8590 but sohak comes from a muslim family. the fact that they're way deviated from muslims is pretty clear. but so are the bahai now. the main difference seems to be that the haqq have origins further back in terms of their separation from islam. but sohak comes from a muslim family. the fact that they’re way deviated from muslims is pretty clear. but so are the bahai now. the main difference seems to be that the haqq have origins further back in terms of their separation from islam.

]]> http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8589 Pretty Pink Unicorns Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:34:23 +0000 http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8589 If I may quote Wikipedia, in this case because I helped research the Ahl-e Haqq: "The Yâresân faith's unique features include millenarism, nativism, egalitarianism, metempsychosis, angelology, divine manifestation and dualism. Many of these features are found in Yazidism, another Kurdish faith, in the faith of Zoroastrians and in Shī‘ah extremist groups; certainly, the names and religious terminology of the Yâresân are often explicitly of Muslim origin. Unlike other indigenous Persianate faiths, the Yâresân explicitly reject class, caste and rank, which sets them apart from the Yazidi and Zoroastrians." They are extremely far in their religious practices from Muslims, and claim to follow the teachings of a prophet, Sultan Sohak, who was the incarnation of a dragon - the Zoroastrian "Aži Dahāka", or dark serpent. If I may quote Wikipedia, in this case because I helped research the Ahl-e Haqq: “The Yâresân faith’s unique features include millenarism, nativism, egalitarianism, metempsychosis, angelology, divine manifestation and dualism. Many of these features are found in Yazidism, another Kurdish faith, in the faith of Zoroastrians and in Shī‘ah extremist groups; certainly, the names and religious terminology of the Yâresân are often explicitly of Muslim origin. Unlike other indigenous Persianate faiths, the Yâresân explicitly reject class, caste and rank, which sets them apart from the Yazidi and Zoroastrians.” They are extremely far in their religious practices from Muslims, and claim to follow the teachings of a prophet, Sultan Sohak, who was the incarnation of a dragon – the Zoroastrian “Aži Dahāka”, or dark serpent.

]]> http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8587 razib Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:13:33 +0000 http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8587 the ahl-e-haqq convert muslims, and come out of muslims. additionally, their terminology is more explicitly muslim than the yazidis. the yazidis are probably a post-muslim sect themselves, but their origins are muddled enough that it's plausible to claim they're pagans. the ahl-e-haqq convert muslims, and come out of muslims. additionally, their terminology is more explicitly muslim than the yazidis. the yazidis are probably a post-muslim sect themselves, but their origins are muddled enough that it’s plausible to claim they’re pagans.

]]> http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8586 Pretty Pink Unicorns Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:00:46 +0000 http://talkislam.info/2009/07/03/how-come-the-ahl-e-haqqyarsan-arent-t/#comment-8586 They aren't Muslim. Baha'is are heretics; Ahl-e Haqq and Yazidis are pagans. As someone once observed, your enemies are your neighbours, not those passing through. Here the simile is apt because the terrain perceived as contested is Islam, whereas the Ahl-e Haqq and Yazidi (and the self-identifying Abrahamic Mandaeists) are not from around here, theologically speaking, and hence do not appear to threaten the status quo (at the moment). They aren’t Muslim. Baha’is are heretics; Ahl-e Haqq and Yazidis are pagans. As someone once observed, your enemies are your neighbours, not those passing through. Here the simile is apt because the terrain perceived as contested is Islam, whereas the Ahl-e Haqq and Yazidi (and the self-identifying Abrahamic Mandaeists) are not from around here, theologically speaking, and hence do not appear to threaten the status quo (at the moment).

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