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		<title>By: manas</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-13056</link>
		<dc:creator>manas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pi.info</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8058</link>
		<dc:creator>pi.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh good, somebody caught mt blond joke. Here&#039;s another:

&lt;blockquote&gt;A blind guy on a bar stool shouts to the bartender, &quot;Wanna hear a blonde joke?&quot;

In a hushed voice, the guy next to him says, &quot;Before you tell that joke, you should know something.&quot;

Our bartender IS blonde, the bouncer is blonde. I&#039;m a 6&#039; tall, 200 lb black belt. The guy sitting next to me is 6&#039;2&quot;, weighs 225, and he&#039;s a rugby player. The fella to your right is 6&#039;5&quot; pushing 300 and he&#039;s a wrestler. Each one of US is blonde. Think about it, Mister. Do you still wanna tell that joke?&quot;

The blind guy says, &quot;Nah, not if I&#039;m gonna have to explain it five times.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh good, somebody caught mt blond joke. Here&#8217;s another:</p>
<blockquote><p>A blind guy on a bar stool shouts to the bartender, &#8220;Wanna hear a blonde joke?&#8221;</p>
<p>In a hushed voice, the guy next to him says, &#8220;Before you tell that joke, you should know something.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our bartender IS blonde, the bouncer is blonde. I&#8217;m a 6&#8242; tall, 200 lb black belt. The guy sitting next to me is 6&#8242;2&#8243;, weighs 225, and he&#8217;s a rugby player. The fella to your right is 6&#8242;5&#8243; pushing 300 and he&#8217;s a wrestler. Each one of US is blonde. Think about it, Mister. Do you still wanna tell that joke?&#8221;</p>
<p>The blind guy says, &#8220;Nah, not if I&#8217;m gonna have to explain it five times.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: aziz</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8056</link>
		<dc:creator>aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naila - 

I am Aziz, one of the Admins of this site and the one who invited Razib. I don&#039;t much care for your argument here but I find it useful as a foil to make some general assertions. 

First, when someone new shows up here and accuses someone who has credibility and respect, of having a &quot;political agenda&quot;, I think it speaks more about the agenda of teh accuser than the accused. Your anonymity and lack of record might seem advantageous to you in making your character attack, but it really just undermines your credibility. If you were a regular member of the community then your concerns might be worth taking seriously, but even then they&#039;d have to have some merit rather than be so selectively cherry-picked. It takes guts to be a blogger for seven years and leave a trail of opinions behind you that can be selectively cherry-picked by anyone with an axe to grind; you aren&#039;t remotely qualified to criticize Razib, so don&#039;t embarass yourself further by trying. 

And - I dunno about you, but science jargon isn&#039;t intimidating to me in the least. Thats because I and many others on this thread can sling that jargon around with as much ease as Razib can. I&#039;m sorry you find science to be scary and intimidating, but to me its a welcome relief to find someone who voluntarily tries to bind themselves by its doctrines when they craft an argument. You&#039;d do well to learn from Razib&#039;s example, as your current efforts at making your case fall woefully short of persuasive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naila &#8211; </p>
<p>I am Aziz, one of the Admins of this site and the one who invited Razib. I don&#8217;t much care for your argument here but I find it useful as a foil to make some general assertions. </p>
<p>First, when someone new shows up here and accuses someone who has credibility and respect, of having a &#8220;political agenda&#8221;, I think it speaks more about the agenda of teh accuser than the accused. Your anonymity and lack of record might seem advantageous to you in making your character attack, but it really just undermines your credibility. If you were a regular member of the community then your concerns might be worth taking seriously, but even then they&#8217;d have to have some merit rather than be so selectively cherry-picked. It takes guts to be a blogger for seven years and leave a trail of opinions behind you that can be selectively cherry-picked by anyone with an axe to grind; you aren&#8217;t remotely qualified to criticize Razib, so don&#8217;t embarass yourself further by trying. </p>
<p>And &#8211; I dunno about you, but science jargon isn&#8217;t intimidating to me in the least. Thats because I and many others on this thread can sling that jargon around with as much ease as Razib can. I&#8217;m sorry you find science to be scary and intimidating, but to me its a welcome relief to find someone who voluntarily tries to bind themselves by its doctrines when they craft an argument. You&#8217;d do well to learn from Razib&#8217;s example, as your current efforts at making your case fall woefully short of persuasive.</p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Barwa</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8041</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad Barwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Razib, serves you right. This is what you get for dating blonds…&lt;/blockquote&gt;


PMSL - this made my day, thank you :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Razib, serves you right. This is what you get for dating blonds…</p></blockquote>
<p>PMSL &#8211; this made my day, thank you <img src='http://talkislam.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Conrad Barwa</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8040</link>
		<dc:creator>Conrad Barwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naila,


I don&#039;t know where you get some of what you are saying about Razib from; I am pretty sure most of it is unfair. I hold opposite views to Razib&#039;s on almost everything (including blondes!) but he has always been polite and reasoned in his arguements and engaged. At least on this site, most of the time I seem to be taking the piss out of his posts rather than anything else. I don&#039;t think there is any obligation for anybody to be pro-Palestinan or pro-Arab as such and I speak as someone who is definitely the former; I certainly can&#039;t see anyplace on here where Razib is as virulently anti-Palestinian, Arab etc. as you claim. People sometimes have very different views to our own on a wide variety of subjects; instead of expecting them to conform, one should examine their arguements and enter into some critical discussion with them. I think we can leanr more from those who are from opposite intellectual camps than from just repetititve groupthink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naila,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where you get some of what you are saying about Razib from; I am pretty sure most of it is unfair. I hold opposite views to Razib&#8217;s on almost everything (including blondes!) but he has always been polite and reasoned in his arguements and engaged. At least on this site, most of the time I seem to be taking the piss out of his posts rather than anything else. I don&#8217;t think there is any obligation for anybody to be pro-Palestinan or pro-Arab as such and I speak as someone who is definitely the former; I certainly can&#8217;t see anyplace on here where Razib is as virulently anti-Palestinian, Arab etc. as you claim. People sometimes have very different views to our own on a wide variety of subjects; instead of expecting them to conform, one should examine their arguements and enter into some critical discussion with them. I think we can leanr more from those who are from opposite intellectual camps than from just repetititve groupthink.</p>
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		<title>By: pi.info</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8033</link>
		<dc:creator>pi.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your response is to the movie &#039;Obsessed&#039; that developed a &quot;psycho ex-girlfriend&#039; storyline. The clip feature I used is embedded in the script of the movie. 

You&#039;re also selectively ignoring the other link I provided where a male is singing a song from the stalker point of view.

And again, 10 posts across two threads of personal attacks on one person...&quot;someone arguing on the internet.” Selective all over the place.

&lt;i&gt;might discourage other women from posting here&lt;/i&gt;

The most helpful thing you could do would be to identify a pattern when a pattern develops. Otherwise, your criticism has kind of a shallow &#039;gotcha&#039; character to it.

As for this instance, I make no apology for mocking Naila. If you search this site on the word &#039;mock,&#039; it&#039;s fair play when used in response to spammers and trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response is to the movie &#8216;Obsessed&#8217; that developed a &#8220;psycho ex-girlfriend&#8217; storyline. The clip feature I used is embedded in the script of the movie. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re also selectively ignoring the other link I provided where a male is singing a song from the stalker point of view.</p>
<p>And again, 10 posts across two threads of personal attacks on one person&#8230;&#8221;someone arguing on the internet.” Selective all over the place.</p>
<p><i>might discourage other women from posting here</i></p>
<p>The most helpful thing you could do would be to identify a pattern when a pattern develops. Otherwise, your criticism has kind of a shallow &#8216;gotcha&#8217; character to it.</p>
<p>As for this instance, I make no apology for mocking Naila. If you search this site on the word &#8216;mock,&#8217; it&#8217;s fair play when used in response to spammers and trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8032</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naila get lost and go back to posting on IslamicAwakening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naila get lost and go back to posting on IslamicAwakening.</p>
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		<title>By: Safia</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8031</link>
		<dc:creator>Safia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think if you reflected on it, you would acknowledge that ’stalking’ in the broad culture is gendered male, not female, and the interpretation you have applied to my comment is completely arbitrary.&quot; 

OK, my new interpretation is that you are using the &quot;psycho ex-girlfriend&quot; type which is pretty well known in the broad culture. Maybe you should reflect that it comes across as pretty cheap and might discourage other women from posting here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think if you reflected on it, you would acknowledge that ’stalking’ in the broad culture is gendered male, not female, and the interpretation you have applied to my comment is completely arbitrary.&#8221; </p>
<p>OK, my new interpretation is that you are using the &#8220;psycho ex-girlfriend&#8221; type which is pretty well known in the broad culture. Maybe you should reflect that it comes across as pretty cheap and might discourage other women from posting here.</p>
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		<title>By: pi.info</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8030</link>
		<dc:creator>pi.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I count 10 posts across the top two threads tonight by Naila that are specifically about Razib and attack his character. I would say Niala&#039;s contribution this evening has been unprecedented. I&#039;m surprised you would soft-pedal this by calling it &quot; someone arguing on the internet.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I count 10 posts across the top two threads tonight by Naila that are specifically about Razib and attack his character. I would say Niala&#8217;s contribution this evening has been unprecedented. I&#8217;m surprised you would soft-pedal this by calling it &#8221; someone arguing on the internet.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pi.info</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2009/06/20/iranian-blogger-and-tweeter/#comment-8028</link>
		<dc:creator>pi.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;kind of sad on your part that because she has identified herself as a woman, now she’s a ‘crazed stalker’ &lt;/a&gt;

That is your narrative, and so belongs entirely to you. I think if you reflected on it, you would acknowledge that &#039;stalking&#039; in the broad culture is gendered male, not female, and the interpretation you have applied to my comment is completely arbitrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>kind of sad on your part that because she has identified herself as a woman, now she’s a ‘crazed stalker’ </p>
<p>That is your narrative, and so belongs entirely to you. I think if you reflected on it, you would acknowledge that &#8217;stalking&#8217; in the broad culture is gendered male, not female, and the interpretation you have applied to my comment is completely arbitrary.</i></p>
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