TPM Muckraker reports that the “Goth” style (or “emo” as it apparently is also now called) is making a comeback among US children and teens, if sales receipts are any indication. Some commenters at Sunnipath say that Muslims who participate are “imitating the kuffar,” though it is a nonreligious cultural identity. Some claim that there are quite a few Muslim goths and there are a few on line here and here (The latter link will take you to a three-year-running open thread about the choice of a young Indonesian hijabi to self-identify as goth. The thread has been straffed by some very unsavory characters.) Elsewhere on line, a Muslimah convert sees in the Goths a kind of – ahklaaq – in their fierce commitment to in-your-face identity, and the defense of it. She concludes that Goths with names like “Death” and “Mud” put Muslim women to shame who won’t wear the hijaab.
Finally, there is Hal786 who is trying to do dawah to goths in this long blog post that runs together talk about converting to Islam, Islamic prohibitions on suicide, anti-suicide artwork, lol cats, advice on dressing goth while “keeping it halal,” and lots and lots of pictures of goth boys – and boys only (one photo however is captioned, “telling the difference between the male and female sex has never been so difficult”). I thought maybe s/he was strictly observant of prescriptions to keep women covered, but there’s a picture of Jade Goody farther down so it’s not that. I haven’t read much of the text because it’s salted with text-messaging abbreviations.

razib 8:31 pm on April 11, 2009 Permalink |
i think goths are f**king obnoxious (piercers too). i have analogized some niqab wearing women to goths.
razib 8:32 pm on April 11, 2009 Permalink |
my teenage brother tells me he’s an “emo.” whatever that means (heez an atheist fwiw).
plimfix 12:06 am on April 12, 2009 Permalink |
EMO = emotionally disturbed (according to the new dreadful remake of St Trinians). I suppose my eldest has always been a bit goth, and I’ve been buddies with a few over the years, being as I am a cloggie (New Model Army fan). They don’t bite — except on a full moon when Aries is in MacDonalds. Anyone who takes this kind of stuff seriously enough to think it constitutes a Muslim identity issue is certifiable.
D 12:12 am on April 12, 2009 Permalink |
Wouldn’t that blogger direct his dawah towards fellow Muslims who endorse suicide bombings against civilians as legitimate, such as the infamous InshallahShaheed blogger, instead of wasting time with Goths who are least likely to harm others?
hal786 7:48 am on April 12, 2009 Permalink |
aSSALAMUALAIKUM
hi im hal786
im a muslim sister not a brother
jazakallah for mentioning me alothough u might have got the wrong idea a bit lol
yh i know that it was a bit slang because i wrote it quickly ,plus its how my mates speak u know? im young thats how our generation speak and its aimed for them but subhanallah if other people find it useful tthen thats good mashallah!!
obviously i can write in a good formal english way but as i said it was done quick and the dawah was directed for us teenagers (im probably muuch younger than you think i am) i dont even work yet im not even that old yet
firstly ‘d’ wh commented……:well inshallah i might do a post about that issue but i thought i’d write about something whcich i’m familiar with, coz at my school i know emos/goths who actually self-harm and its totally wrong and they have a negative view towards life so its dawah for them
as for the person who wrote this on their site:
jazakallah for puttin my work up bro/sis!!
well u sort of goot the main idea, please read all of it to understand more
its basically like what u said anti-suicide,anti self harm etc
also about how muslims dress if they are with no doubt going to stick with the new look of emo style then keep it halal
i did pete wentz picture who ppl follow for style so i had a pic of him with a beard, so showing that men can still dress modestly etc.
and as for jade goody i did her pic coz she died and that would attract a lot of readers right? and a pic with her in sort of hijab which muslimas who dont wear hijab can aspire to seeing as they love following these so called role models…even though they should be following the prophet s.a.w. wives etc i know but some dont so yh
and as for the pictures well u know too much writing with no pics some people might get bored..this is teenagers supposed to be reading lol they get bored!!
plus some people might just see the pic on google or sumthin and think its cool and then they might read what i have to say and therefore know about islam!!!
i got a bit more on the similar issue here:
http://hal786.wordpress.com/2009/03/22/leave-your-support-for-the-late-jade-goody/
u see i made it seem like it was just about jade goody but i added the islamic view towards the issue for those who have cancer etc and know theyre going to die
well inshallah see the rest of my blog and jazakallah!!!
johnpi 9:49 pm on April 12, 2009 Permalink |
Salaams Hal,
May Allah reward you with the good, sister. I apologize that your comment wasn’t approved sooner.
Don’t be shy about coming back to Talk Islam and sharing your point of view, because it will be valued. Interested in your very young Muslimah perspective on things.
Also, that’s really cool how much you are concerned about the self-harming goths at your school.
Mashallah that you have found a voice and you speak out. Inshallah, keep up the good work, and come practice using your voice here at TI.
Wasalaam,
John
PI.info 9:55 pm on April 12, 2009 Permalink |
PS Hal,
Your blog posts would be more “Internet friendly” if you had a few less photos. I found I had to linger forever waiting for your suicide post to load up.
WS,
John (I’m also PI.info)
hal786 8:03 am on April 13, 2009 Permalink |
Assalamualaikum
oh yh u no thhe boy girl difference pic
i dont no if i mentioned it on my blog if i havent i need to add it lol
but y i added it is cuz:
u no the hadith or sumthin bout signs of d.o.j??about how men will dress like women n women like men…so they’ll be similar 2 eachother and that pic soooo reminded me of that init???scary, another sign coming true!!