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	<title>Comments on: Campbell Scott/CNN, &#8220;So what if Obama w &#8230;</title>
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	<description>a crescent waxing eloquent</description>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typing not my strong suit today. hostility toward &lt;i&gt;atheists&lt;/i&gt; broader but shallower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typing not my strong suit today. hostility toward <i>atheists</i> broader but shallower.</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>willow, yep, it&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://pewforum.org/press/?ReleaseID=20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;robust finding&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;Nearly four-in-ten (38 percent) say they would not vote for a well-qualified Muslim for president, and 17 percent would not vote for a well-qualified evangelical Christian. Fully 52 percent say they would not vote for a well-qualified atheist.&lt;/i&gt;

the only caution i would offer is that i think the &quot;hostility&quot; toward muslims is wider, but much shallower.  that toward muslims is probably deeper, but somewhat narrower, at least avowed/consciously.  now, if a bunch of atheists blow up the sears tower i hope i see my neighbors wearing  darwin pins the next week in solidarity :-)  cuz we&#039;ll need it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>willow, yep, it&#8217;s a <a href="http://pewforum.org/press/?ReleaseID=20" rel="nofollow">robust finding</a>:<br />
<i>Nearly four-in-ten (38 percent) say they would not vote for a well-qualified Muslim for president, and 17 percent would not vote for a well-qualified evangelical Christian. Fully 52 percent say they would not vote for a well-qualified atheist.</i></p>
<p>the only caution i would offer is that i think the &#8220;hostility&#8221; toward muslims is wider, but much shallower.  that toward muslims is probably deeper, but somewhat narrower, at least avowed/consciously.  now, if a bunch of atheists blow up the sears tower i hope i see my neighbors wearing  darwin pins the next week in solidarity <img src='http://talkislam.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   cuz we&#8217;ll need it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: willow</title>
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		<dc:creator>willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d never thought about it before, but I think you&#039;re right, Razib...even in a post 9/11 world, a Muslim probably has a better chance of becoming president than an atheist.

Now that is weird and telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d never thought about it before, but I think you&#8217;re right, Razib&#8230;even in a post 9/11 world, a Muslim probably has a better chance of becoming president than an atheist.</p>
<p>Now that is weird and telling.</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/10/14/campbell-scottcnn-so-what-if-obama-w/#comment-2657</link>
		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;we’ve been a 25% protestant nation &lt;/i&gt;

meant catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>we’ve been a 25% protestant nation </i></p>
<p>meant catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: razib</title>
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		<dc:creator>razib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the &quot;so what&quot; response is more plausible in particular elite contexts like the media. i don&#039;t think it really matters if you&#039;re talking about a mass democracy.  mitt romney&#039;s mormon religion was a major issue in the *primaries*, and self-identified mormons haven&#039;t engaged in terrorist acts against the united states since the 19th century.

but there&#039;s also another angle, and that&#039;s that people feel comfortable with people like them. we&#039;ve been a 25% protestant nation since the last 19th century only had one catholic president, and he was killed!  people want fellowship with a eye toward preference with people like themselves, so it naturally leads to the fact that they will prefer someone like themselves, all things being equal. if 25% of america&#039;s were muslim, &quot;so what&quot; would be a more powerful talking point since many more americans are muslim. as it is, very few are (the same issue crops up with mormonism).

of course, that&#039;s not a apologia for bizarre conspiracy theorists.  but as you imply, it&#039;s not a black and white issue; you can prefer a co-religionist without assuming that other religionists are malevolent. a co-religionist is expected to know &quot;what you&#039;re about&quot; with a greater degree of likelihood than a non-co-religionist.  by analogy, &quot;so what if he&#039;s an atheist?&quot;  well, assume that being accused of being an atheist wasn&#039;t a political poison pill, i think it is a plausible case that a politician who does not experience a living god in their life might be perceived to be &quot;out of touch&quot; with the values of the major who do believe in god.  i think it&#039;s not really factually correct, but a democracy is about the art of the possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the &#8220;so what&#8221; response is more plausible in particular elite contexts like the media. i don&#8217;t think it really matters if you&#8217;re talking about a mass democracy.  mitt romney&#8217;s mormon religion was a major issue in the *primaries*, and self-identified mormons haven&#8217;t engaged in terrorist acts against the united states since the 19th century.</p>
<p>but there&#8217;s also another angle, and that&#8217;s that people feel comfortable with people like them. we&#8217;ve been a 25% protestant nation since the last 19th century only had one catholic president, and he was killed!  people want fellowship with a eye toward preference with people like themselves, so it naturally leads to the fact that they will prefer someone like themselves, all things being equal. if 25% of america&#8217;s were muslim, &#8220;so what&#8221; would be a more powerful talking point since many more americans are muslim. as it is, very few are (the same issue crops up with mormonism).</p>
<p>of course, that&#8217;s not a apologia for bizarre conspiracy theorists.  but as you imply, it&#8217;s not a black and white issue; you can prefer a co-religionist without assuming that other religionists are malevolent. a co-religionist is expected to know &#8220;what you&#8217;re about&#8221; with a greater degree of likelihood than a non-co-religionist.  by analogy, &#8220;so what if he&#8217;s an atheist?&#8221;  well, assume that being accused of being an atheist wasn&#8217;t a political poison pill, i think it is a plausible case that a politician who does not experience a living god in their life might be perceived to be &#8220;out of touch&#8221; with the values of the major who do believe in god.  i think it&#8217;s not really factually correct, but a democracy is about the art of the possible.</p>
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