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	<title>Comments on: Tuesday poll - does the Ummah exist?

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	<description>a crescent waxing eloquent</description>
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		<title>By: BK</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/04/29/tuesday-poll-does-the-ummah-exist/#comment-280</link>
		<dc:creator>BK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Ummah" may not really mean much. It is the 'body' of the universal Islamic movement. By Universal, I mean openning to dimensions of time and space. 

This may depend upon ones POV. Is the Holy Prophet truly alive in your belief or is he a dead person who left a book and some habits to follow? If alive, then so are all the people who truly followed his message.

It is indisputable that Allah is Alive and never dies. What does this tell us?

Ummah is the vessel by which Islam transports itself through time. Momenin, Believers are a subset and they are the witnesses to the reality of Islam. 

Ummah may be muamin or they may only be the followers of habit. Imitation. "Are those who know and those who do not know equal?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ummah&#8221; may not really mean much. It is the &#8216;body&#8217; of the universal Islamic movement. By Universal, I mean openning to dimensions of time and space. </p>
<p>This may depend upon ones POV. Is the Holy Prophet truly alive in your belief or is he a dead person who left a book and some habits to follow? If alive, then so are all the people who truly followed his message.</p>
<p>It is indisputable that Allah is Alive and never dies. What does this tell us?</p>
<p>Ummah is the vessel by which Islam transports itself through time. Momenin, Believers are a subset and they are the witnesses to the reality of Islam. </p>
<p>Ummah may be muamin or they may only be the followers of habit. Imitation. &#8220;Are those who know and those who do not know equal?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: aziz</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/04/29/tuesday-poll-does-the-ummah-exist/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you're in law school! awesome. The topic of muslim women practicing law is one worth exploring later - you're the 4th muslim woman I know doing so. 

Part of what I am after is a definition of Ummah. Is "follower of the Prophet SAW" or "self-declared muslim" or "professes Shahada" really the commonly accepted definition of Ummah? Is it defined solely by a religious belief among individuals? That is unsatisfying to me, because I feel that an Ummah should be more. 

Shouldn't the Ummah be something concrete, with at least some well-defined common purpose? Or an idea of some sort? (like in a sense, America is an idea, and not just the collection of all people with US citizenship).

What does the Ummah mean? what does it do? what does it want? none of these questions are answered by taking the Ummah to be nothing more than "all muslims". Surely the sum is greater than the parts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re in law school! awesome. The topic of muslim women practicing law is one worth exploring later - you&#8217;re the 4th muslim woman I know doing so. </p>
<p>Part of what I am after is a definition of Ummah. Is &#8220;follower of the Prophet SAW&#8221; or &#8220;self-declared muslim&#8221; or &#8220;professes Shahada&#8221; really the commonly accepted definition of Ummah? Is it defined solely by a religious belief among individuals? That is unsatisfying to me, because I feel that an Ummah should be more. </p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t the Ummah be something concrete, with at least some well-defined common purpose? Or an idea of some sort? (like in a sense, America is an idea, and not just the collection of all people with US citizenship).</p>
<p>What does the Ummah mean? what does it do? what does it want? none of these questions are answered by taking the Ummah to be nothing more than &#8220;all muslims&#8221;. Surely the sum is greater than the parts?</p>
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		<title>By: muse</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/04/29/tuesday-poll-does-the-ummah-exist/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>muse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I voted no because I don’t think there is sufficient unity of thought for even an abstract Ummah to exist (and I for one, prefer the diversity within Islam that makes it so)."

I respectfully disagree. So long as you call yourself a Muslim and believe in the shahada, you're part of the "Ummah". But what that is is hard to define. I hovered between "yes as an abstract" and the last added choice. I ultimately chose the last one but now I think I should have chosen the other. Or maybe define it as "followers of Muhammad (pbuh)," though I can see problems with that too. 

This is what law school does to you - makes you question everything and yet come out with no answers in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I voted no because I don’t think there is sufficient unity of thought for even an abstract Ummah to exist (and I for one, prefer the diversity within Islam that makes it so).&#8221;</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree. So long as you call yourself a Muslim and believe in the shahada, you&#8217;re part of the &#8220;Ummah&#8221;. But what that is is hard to define. I hovered between &#8220;yes as an abstract&#8221; and the last added choice. I ultimately chose the last one but now I think I should have chosen the other. Or maybe define it as &#8220;followers of Muhammad (pbuh),&#8221; though I can see problems with that too. </p>
<p>This is what law school does to you - makes you question everything and yet come out with no answers in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: aziz</title>
		<link>http://talkislam.info/2008/04/29/tuesday-poll-does-the-ummah-exist/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>aziz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think it's that silly a question. The definition of Ummah as "all muslims" certainly exists, but it also pretty useless as a construct (any more than defining some other subset of humanity, ie all who profess to liking the color green or who like They Might Be Giants music). What I am after is whether the idea of Ummah has a tangible reality, something that matters beyond its definition. Or even an abstract concept. I voted no because I don't think there is sufficient unity of thought for even an abstract Ummah to exist (and I for one, prefer the diversity within Islam that makes it so).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that silly a question. The definition of Ummah as &#8220;all muslims&#8221; certainly exists, but it also pretty useless as a construct (any more than defining some other subset of humanity, ie all who profess to liking the color green or who like They Might Be Giants music). What I am after is whether the idea of Ummah has a tangible reality, something that matters beyond its definition. Or even an abstract concept. I voted no because I don&#8217;t think there is sufficient unity of thought for even an abstract Ummah to exist (and I for one, prefer the diversity within Islam that makes it so).</p>
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